Orion vs Black Bolt

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Who says that the skrull version of Black Bolt's power went up to scale at the same rate as normal Black Bolt?

Maybe the power output he demonstrated against WWH is his max. Maybe it isn't. The fact that skrull bolt did something within the power range of normal Black Bolt does not at all indicate that he was capable of Black Bolt's max.

And whispers from Black Bolt have done a hell of a lot more than blow WWH away. The phrase "a mere whisper", as you use, is ludicrous.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and are trying to loosely draw together supposition based on one feat of a known skrull, to attempt to say that that's a feat for another character- the basic concept of what you're trying to accomplish is utterly retarded.

The fact that you have to resort to childish spaz's about the semantics between "replicate" and "genetically engineer" (which are NOT mutually exclusive terms... one can be genetically engineered with the intention to replicate, and a replica need not match it's original in power/stature/size to be considered a replica), displays how you're devoid of any semblance of logic, reason or coherent argument.

So, anyways, you're wrong.

Please leave.

Wow total Ownage by Smurph 😂 😂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
this thread has degenerated.....into pure win!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but your argument is based on MAYBEs without positive evidence while mine is based on inconsistant retcons. so your wrong.

Read through my "argument" again. I've actually stated that because there are far too many MAYBEs, that there aren't any conclusions that we can draw. They're completely different characters, with levels of power that may or may not match. We have no proof either way.

You, on the other hand, are trying to draw these impossible conclusions. Your argument is based entirely on the MAYBEs of Skrull Bolt's power output.

It should be noted that the skrulls couldn't understand how Black Bolt was able to achieve such power, and couldn't duplicate it, as proven in the beginning issues of SI: Inhumans.

Hell, if the skrulls really were capable of reproducing full power, then Ms Marvel just took it to WWH.

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The fact is that the skrulls put in a lot of resources to make Skrull Bolt capable of knocking out that piece of the moon... but it's completely illogical to attempt to assign one feat to a completely different character while knowing that it's been retconned. Doesn't matter what the writers intended any more, Marvel intends for that to not be a feat of Black Bolts. Meaning that it isn't a feat. Or a loss. Either way, it's completely irrelevant to any further discussion of Black Bolt's abilities.

^but you havent been following the debate at all it seems. i have TWO approaches and i was proving that reguardless of which one quan chose, he ended up having to concede that he was was bullshiting at one point or the other and either my initial point was right, or my later alternatives were right. thats why you are fighting against a strawman as you dont KNOW whats been going on here and are looking at posts out of context and going after my throat for it. ive been giving quan "either or" type of options, doesnt mean im saying one is the ultimate truth.

e.g. either it was blackbolt that the writer's intended at the time and pnly he cud produce such a strong scream and hulk easily survived it and it was an inconsistant retcon later OR skrulls can infact reproduce the full range of abilities of other characters enough to do that level of damage and the entire arc was bullshit writing seeing as skrulls shud be more than capable of taking over the planet and plot devices kept it going.

you cant deny that the arcs had enough inconcistancy to warrant such dillemas. im not saying either is completely true, writers work in mysterious ways, but your attacks and childish insults are misdirected and frankly, sound rather pathetic in context.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
e.g. either it was blackbolt that the writer's intended at the time and pnly he cud produce such a strong scream and hulk easily survived it and it was an inconsistant retcon later

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Doesn't matter what the writers intended any more, Marvel intends for that to not be a feat of Black Bolts. Meaning that it isn't a feat. Or a loss. Either way, it's completely irrelevant to any further discussion of Black Bolt's abilities.

^but we are not marvel, and we still discuss power levels of pre retcon molecule man and odin and beyonder in serious debates so i fail to see your point.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^but we are not marvel, and we still discuss power levels of pre retcon molecule man and odin and beyonder in serious debates so i fail to see your point.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so i fail

We discuss PR Beyonder, Superman, Molecule Man and others in debates that specify that we're discussing pre-retcon versions.

We don't assign pre-crisis Superman feats to regular Superman.

^but history was being discussed concerning what blackbolt had done and sum1 brought up "he defeated the hulk with a whisper" so not only do you end up a buffoon yet again, youve proven incapable of understanding whats going on.

^ hysterical

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^but history was being discussed concerning what blackbolt had done and sum1 brought up "he defeated the hulk with a whisper" so not only do you end up a buffoon yet again, youve proven incapable of understanding whats going on.

^if you stop being a dick for two seconds, youll notice that it was all just a ploy to point out the inconcistancies in sum1's claims.

Smurph is used to seeing the word 'inches' after two, when dick is in the same sentence and referring to him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Smurph is used to seeing the word 'inches' after two, when dick is in the same sentence and referring to him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^if you stop being a dick for two seconds, youll notice that it was all just a ploy to point out the inconcistancies in sum1's claims.

You're like a master of disguise. I'd have never caught on.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
u so funnee

😂

Originally posted by Original Smurph
If your ploy wasn't so clever, it would totally look like you were coming up with excuse after excuse to keep up the facade that you are really a complete dumbass and not some master manipulator.

You're like a master of disguise. I'd have never caught on.

again, if you had the comprehension skills necessary to understand what was going on, then u wud have realised that the reason it seems that way to thicker skulled people is because a certain member kept wrongly adressing posts which were obviously not directed towards them, creating a strawman.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^if you stop being a dick for two seconds, youll notice that it was all just a ploy to point out the inconcistancies in sum1's claims.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
again, if you had the comprehension skills necessary to understand what was going on, then u wud have realised that the reason it seems that way to thicker skulled people is because a certain member kept wrongly adressing posts which were obviously not directed towards them, creating a strawman.