Originally posted by h1a8So Odin at his best was in the comics.
and also Odin not at his best happened in a comic too. Characters don't get other characters best feats to be a representative of their power level in a forum. For example, Drax busting a planet in a comic and then turning around to get manhandled by Marvell doesn't mean Marvell can bust planets in a forum fight. So again, Odin in a comic (on average) Isnt as powerful as Odin at his best.
The whole point behind Thor's sacrificial actions/labors in issues 83-84 was for him to surpass Odin--that was the only way for him to do what his father never could: prevent the cycle of Ragnarok from continuing.
Ergo:
http://i.imgur.com/Vwq9tA5.jpg
"...You must become more than the All-Father!!"
Originally posted by Galan007
The whole point behind Thor's sacrificial actions/labors in issues 83-84 was for him to surpass Odin--that was the only way for him to do what his father never could: prevent the cycle of Ragnarok from continuing.Ergo:
http://i.imgur.com/Vwq9tA5.jpg
"...You must become more than the All-Father!!"
Heck, it was stated throughout the arc that it was Odin's plan all along and that's what the whole arc is about.
^^ Thor's 'human-side' was the key to advance beyond Odin.
Originally posted by Galan007
surpass Odin--that was the only way for him to do what his father never could: prevent the cycle of Ragnarok from continuing.
Towards the end, RKT was beyond the perception of the Odin-power:
RKT, teleports right into the realm of the Norn Fates:
Yet, within their own realm, they are unable to stop Thor: (Norn Fates > Odin)
Heck, even when "Those Who Sit Above" manifested within the Fates' realm, still, no one was able to stop Thor:
In the end, RKT, seemingly becomes one with the Universe:
Even in the scan you post as "Beyond Odin power", it's flat out stated that it was because of his lessons learnt in mortal form.
Fates stated that he did not have any power there.
Those who sit above the shadow offered to give him their status. It's not because they were less powerful or anything like that.
There are not any hints that RKT was definitely above Odin in power. He might have been, but it was never made clear.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Thor's 'human-side' was the key to advance beyond Odin.👆
Towards the end, RKT was beyond the perception of the Odin-power:
RKT, teleports right into the realm of the Norn Fates:
Yet, within their own realm, they are unable to stop Thor: (Norn Fates > Odin)
Heck, even when "Those Who Sit Above" manifested within the Fates' realm, still, no one was able to stop Thor:
In the end, RKT, seemingly becomes one with the Universe:
LOL. I come as your doom says RK Thor, and what do the One's who sit above do? They cower. If they were superior, and threatened in their own realm, you'd think that they would have torn him apart if they could, but they didn't, because they could not. RK Thor was even outnumbered, and still no sign that he was inferior to them, because he was in fact above them like they were above Odin. Who could possibly see this any differently than what was written?
Originally posted by MindsetAs was Odin not at his best. If you believe a superior character gets another characters best feats then you must conclude that Thanos can bust a planet with a single blast, DD can lift infinite weight or at least the weight of 50 earths, Colossus can easily withstand mountain range pulverizing punches, etc.
So Odin at his best was in the comics.
RKT simply doesn't get Odins best feats. He gets his own with Odins average feats.
Originally posted by Stoic
LOL. I come as your doom says RK Thor, and what do the One's who sit above do? They cower. If they were superior, and threatened in their own realm, you'd think that they would have torn him apart if they could, but they didn't, because they could not. RK Thor was even outnumbered, and still no sign that he was inferior to them, because he was in fact above them like they were above Odin. Who could possibly see this any differently than what was written?
100% Right
At Odin best by feats was a least low level abstract level, RKT surpassed Odin in power and wisdom and everything, it what Odin wanted for Thor
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Thor's 'human-side' was the key to advance beyond Odin.👆
Towards the end, RKT was beyond the perception of the Odin-power:
RKT, teleports right into the realm of the Norn Fates:
Yet, within their own realm, they are unable to stop Thor: (Norn Fates > Odin)
Heck, even when "Those Who Sit Above" manifested within the Fates' realm, still, no one was able to stop Thor:
In the end, RKT, seemingly becomes one with the Universe:
👆 There was also that X-men/Alpha Flight comic were Loki even prayed to Those who sit above the shadows. I remember the narration stating that they were above the Asgardians as the Asgardians were above mortals and humans.
Originally posted by Igniz
There was also that X-men/Alpha Flight comic were Loki ... to Those who sit above the shadows.I remember ... that they were above the Asgardians as the Asgardians were above mortals and humans.
The writer tells us about the realm of 'They Who Sit Above in Shadow:'
"If Gods can be said to have Gods themselves, this is where they live"
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'Those Who Sit Above in Shadow' tell Loki:
"We ... who are to Asgard as its immortal sons and daughters are to the realms of Men"
Notice, they also threaten Loki ...
Loki, doesn't pause to obey:
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Loki found a loophole to defy the orders he was given,
so 'Those Who Sit Above in Shadow' gave Loki what he wanted, which was to rule the nine realms,
but they played Loki as Uatu appears and tells us,
they set Loki up at the end of time where the nine realms are heading towards entropy.
"With the slightest of thought,
the Ones Who Sit Above in Shadow, Gods to the Gods themselves, gave Loki what he wanted"
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This is proof positive that they didn't act against RKT, because they were powerless against him.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Definitely not.
He would kill almost everybody in trans tier with such a punch. With less than a minute's sundip he would've killed Vera Black with Worloggog.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818923/Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818931/Untitled-Scanned-13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818933/Untitled-Scanned-14.jpg.htmlShe saw it too.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818939/Untitled-Scanned-06.jpg.html
While before that she no sold a full superman punch to the face.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818924/Untitled-Scanned-11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16818929/Untitled-Scanned-12_2.jpg.htmlLook up at what worloggog has done. It has made people omnipotent.
She had to reset her own actions so that it all never happened.
And it was far less of an amp than in OWAW.
Or are you saying Thor has more power than Worloggog?
Originally posted by h1a8So RKT is beyond Odin's low, average, and best. 👆
As was Odin not at his best. If you believe a superior character gets another characters best feats then you must conclude that Thanos can bust a planet with a single blast, DD can lift infinite weight or at least the weight of 50 earths, Colossus can easily withstand mountain range pulverizing punches, etc.RKT simply doesn't get Odins best feats. He gets his own with Odins average feats.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I've read Our Worlds, no amount of selective scan posting and misinterpreted dialogue is going to convince me that dipped Superman is even past trans. So you might as well just save it.Thor vaporizes Superman's body, and gives his soul the Mangog treatment.
You're simply lying at this point. He overpowered a Skyfather level being further amped with at least Galactus level power.
Originally posted by MindsetNo. He is only above his average. RKT can't achieve Odin's best feats without proof. Character's don't get other characters best feats. This is a mod ruling. A more powerful character is only above a weaker character's average. For example, a high end Superman can lift weights from 50 Earth weights to infinite weight. Yet HP Doomsday is physically more powerful than him by portrayal and can't do any of that. I doubt HP DD can bust a planet with a single punch. Classic Drax has busted a planet, yet Marvell was shown to best him in h2h and match him in energy blasting. Does this mean that Marvell gets Drax's feat of busting a planet although he was portrayed to be as powerful or more powerful than Drax?
So RKT is beyond Odin's low, average, and best. 👆
