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Originally posted by Daredevil1
You left out the part that Electra used a rocket launcher on Logan and them while in the car and used the people to get in between her and Logan. It was a complete ambush on her part.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Even Daredevil has put down Logan with just his pressure point strike and no aid other then himself. But that doesn't make me believe at all that DD takes the majority. In fact Logan takes the majority.

Originally posted by jinzin

And you shouldn't because if you believed in that Craptacular Ennis comic book you'd also have to believe that Daredevil's limbs are not strong enough to support the weight of the friggin Punisher as well.

Its wether DD could support both hes own body and Punishers weight on one arm and they had already gathered momentum because the were both flying out of the window. Then on top of that Punisher started tugging on it.

I guess DD beating Punisher up prior to that was crap writing as well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its wether DD could support both hes own body and Punishers weight on one arm and they had already gathered momentum because the were both flying out of the window. Then on top of that Punisher started tugging on it.

I guess DD beating Punisher up prior to that was crap writing as well.

You're talking about a guy who's joints and ligiments HAVE to be able to take that kind of abuse and stress to do the acrobatics he does.

are you seriously about to try and defend that issue again?

Originally posted by jinzin
that was one of the only good things in that arc...

Of course it was because it onvolved Pun getting beaten up.

Originally posted by jinzin

You're talking about a guy who's joints and ligiments HAVE to be able to take that kind of abuse and stress to do the acrobatics he does.

DD Doesnt go around swinging with that much weight everyday, he usually just supports his own body weight.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Of course it was because it onvolved Pun getting beaten up.

I don't know what that's all about but there really shouldn't be much question as to whether or not DD can kick Punisher around in some hand to hand fights.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
DD Doesnt go around swinging with that much weight everyday, he usually just supports his own body weight.

Just like Spiderman's SS shouldn't be faked out like it was.

Or Wolverine momentarily dispathed by a throat chop which has been disproven by a record of 20 to 1. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin

But the tensil strength of his muscles/tendons are insane. He swung around a 400 pound barbell like it was a bo staff, Punisher shouldn't dislocate both his arms....

LOL he was using both his arms! Also both DDs weight and Puns weight are not going to come to 400lbs combined weight. You can make a decent case that Pun can run faster than 30mph. How much does 400lbs plus 30 mph weigh? How much would the speed increase once its assisted by gravity and both their weight. Im not a stats guy but the combined weight is going to be more than 400lbs. Even then it didnt get dislocated straight away.

The other shoulder got dislocted by landing on metal.

Furthermore characters strength level vary.

Originally posted by jinzin

Just like Spiderman's SS shouldn't be faked out like it was.

There are examples of his SS warning just before something becomes a threat eg his spider sense only warns him a split second before a bomb is triggered not because a bomb is present. You might call it a low showing but its not PIS. Spiderman thought he hadnt triggered the bombs.

Originally posted by jinzin

Or Wolverine momentarily dispathed by a throat chop which has been disproven by a record of 20 to 1. 😐

I dont have the time or energy to go through that every excuse in the world for Wolverines HF.

Originally posted by jinzin
Bullshit. I left that out because it's completely irrelivent. The car crashed, Wolverine at worst got the wind knocked out of him in a crash were 3 humans survived without much harm.

Wolverine had enough time to get up, walk around and assess the situation. When Elektra and him began to fight it was after she made her presence completely known and stood right infront of him before they went at it. She beat him in a totally circumstantial-less fight. 😕

And you shouldn't because if you believed that shit peice of Ennis writing you'd also have to accept that Daredevil's joints are nowhere near strong enough to support holding the weight of the Punisher. 😐

Actually 1 of the humans died from the crash and another was unconscious. Plus that story was shit as well considering all the stuff Logan has recovered from that story was BS too. Seriously. Circumstances were there.

I'm fairly certain that the story took place fairly quickly after the weapon x experiment.

I thought that person died from previous injuries... I might be mistaken I haven't read it in some time.

When it came to the actual confrontation between Logan and Elektra I don't remember ANY circumstances being there.

you guys refferring to the book? the one with like two pictures?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL he was using both his arms! Also both DDs weight and Puns weight are not going to come to 400lbs combined weight. You can make a decent case that Pun can run faster than 30mph. How much does 400lbs plus 30 mph weigh? How much would the speed increase once its assisted by gravity and both their weight. Im not a stats guy but the combined weight is going to be more than 400lbs. Even then it didnt get dislocated straight away.

The other shoulder got dislocted by landing on metal.

Furthermore characters strength level vary.

Even with Punisher adding weight to DD's capacity by a factor of over 1,000 pounds . Once again, DD has swung a 400 pound barbell like it was nothing. The sheer conditioning of his tendons are going to be ludicrous after an entire life of building hopping. It shouldn't have happened.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There are examples of his SS warning just before something becomes a threat eg his spider sense only warns him a split second before a bomb is triggered not because a bomb is present. You might call it a low showing but its not PIS. Spiderman thought he hadnt triggered the bombs.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont have the time or energy to go through that every excuse in the world for Wolverines HF.

Originally posted by jinzin
Even with Punisher adding weight to DD's capacity by a factor of over 1,000 pounds . Once again, DD has swung a 400 pound barbell like it was nothing. The sheer conditioning of his tendons are going to be ludicrous after an entire life of building hopping. It shouldn't have happened.

Yeah except they were fake, so no danger. PIS.

I don't have the energy to explain to you what a low showing is again compared to the majority...

what even funnier is that the very issue and run go against logan getting taken down by a throat shot, when during the run he was not even kod while having haft his body turn to bone or being hit into the next state.

Originally posted by jinzin
Even with Punisher adding weight to DD's capacity by a factor of over 1,000 pounds . Once again, DD has swung a 400 pound barbell like it was nothing.

Again he used both arms. Obvoulsy he could hang 400 pounds off his arm but I dont know about 3 times that weight on one arm without getting injury. As already stated characters strength levels vary.

Originally posted by jinzin

The sheer conditioning of his tendons are going to be ludicrous after an entire life of building hopping. It shouldn't have happened.

You know most of the time he uses that grapple hook.....call me crazy but I think that would actually make hopping from building to building easier. He doesnt constantly swing from bulidng to builidng with one arm carrying weight.

Originally posted by jinzin

Yeah except they were fake, so no danger. PIS.

You know you didnt even understand what was explained?

To be quite honest with you its subjective. You're just doing what you usually do and that is just finding details so you can find something wrong with it, of course when it applies to Wolverine you do the opposite.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

You know you didnt even understand what was explained?

Spiderman powers were not only ignore, but his history with Punisher as well.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he did. Spiderman stated powers even at classic level allows him to discern a real threat from a fake. No matter if the bombs were real or not, his power would allow him to discern that they were no real danger to him. This coupled with his extensive knowledge from interactions between him and Punisher that Punisher would never attempt top kill him or any other Innocent hero would equate the event as PIS.

Spiderman powers were not only ignore, but his history with Punisher as well.

The point is SS hasnt always been shown to do that. Im not ignoring history if his SS has been shown to vary.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You're just doing what you usually do and that is just finding details so you can find something wrong with it, of course when it applies to Wolverine you do the opposite.

How was that story not out of character for Wolverine? He was treated like in breaded fool. His lines through out it made him look stupid. He was treated as if he had no intellect. He went into a a supposes berserker rage with out any reason, which alone was against his character portrayal for years. He who is one of the best tracker on the planet a man who was able to track down Mystique within 9 hours from a cross the world to some random town in the middle east could not locate the position of Punisher in new york? The fact that he was taken out by an adam apple jab despite the fact much worse attack to the same area which were much worse were unable to slow him, not to mention him being able to breath which again goes against what the actual attack even does. What worse is it happen while Logan was berserk when his healing factor is extremely amp as his ability to struck off attacks. The instant even goes against what was shown in the issue in which Logan took attacks such as having haft his body being turn to bone with out being KO as well as been hit into the next state by Hulk, both of which were out of berserk which means his healing factor was not even at the level it should have been when he got next jab. Those are just some of the incorrect portrayal of his character and of his abilities shown through out his history, but also even contradicts what was shown in the very arc.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is SS hasnt always been shown to do that. Im not ignoring history if his SS has been shown to vary.

Why should what Punisher did there out weight against vast majority of showing of the characters powers and the characters traits them selves?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How was that story not out of character for Wolverine? He was treated like in breaded fool. His lines through out it made him look stupid. He was treated as if he had no intellect.

Yeah he was doesnt mean that he cant get shot by a missle launcher.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

He went into a a supposes berserker rage with out any reason, which alone was against his character portrayal for years.

He did, where did it state that?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

He who is one of the best tracker on the planet a man who was able to track down Mystique within 9 hours from a cross the world to some random town in the middle east could not locate the position of Punisher in new york?

Now you're just moaning. Dr Doom has had trouble tracking him down cant see why Wolverine cant.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

The fact that he was taken out by an adam apple jab despite the fact much worse attack to the same area which were much worse were unable to slow him, not to mention him being able to breath which again goes against what the actual attack even does. What worse is it happen while Logan was berserk when his healing factor is extremely amp as his ability to struck off attacks.

He was beserk?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

The instant even goes against what was shown in the issue in which Logan took attacks such as having haft his body being turn to bone with out being KO as well as been hit into the next state by Hulk, both of which were out of berserk which means his healing factor was not even at the level it should have been when he got next jab. Those are just some of the incorrect portrayal of his character and of his abilities shown through out his history, but also even contradicts what was shown in the very arc.

Why cant a missle launcher burn the flesh off his legs when bullets pierce his skin? Are you going to moan about everything?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
His majority of his showing say other wise,

Theres still alot that contradict that, so that could be considered to be a low showing

Originally posted by Battlehammer

not to mention the fact his experience with Punisher would alone give him the knowledge that they are in fact fake.

Now ypou're just making shit up this is what I mean about complaing about everything. Punisher has gone crazy and killed innocent people before other superheroes find him unpredicatble and they figure that he may actually snap and go completely nuts...sometimes they just dont want to take the risk eg the Cop that frank threatened and The Sentry.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again he used both arms. Obvoulsy he could hang 400 pounds off his arm but I dont know about 3 times that weight on one arm without getting injury. As already stated characters strength levels vary.

Being able to swing the 400 lb barbell is a demonstration of this. In order to do that without causing injury you would have to have muscle strength and conditioning that allowed you to counter balance the momentum of that weight. It's practically the same type of feat if not more impressive.

The fact is that Frank jumping on a peak human and dislocating his arm when it goes against his typcial character portrayal is just another dosage of Ennis' bias PIS.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You know most of the time he uses that grapple hook.....call me crazy but I think that would actually make hopping from building to building easier. He doesnt constantly swing from bulidng to builidng with one arm carrying weight.

Have you ever even read a Daredevil comic that didn't have Punisher in it?

Look at when Stick trained him. No grapple hook whatsoever. And even using a grapple hook you have to compensate for whiplash when launching yourself around corners etc etc with it. As he has done so in numerous fights.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You know you didnt even understand what was explained?

To be quite honest with you its subjective. You're just doing what you usually do and that is just finding details so you can find something wrong with it, of course when it applies to Wolverine you do the opposite.

It's not consistent with ANY spiderman showings in the past, and trust me, I know.

He senses danger, there wasn't any... It was PIS.

I'm doing what I usually do in discrediting bad, bias, non-characteristic writing that discards common knowledge about these characters and accediting the characters for their typical portrayal.. while you're ALSO doing what you usually do, supporting Ennis' writing in that arc... BLEH! 😘

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Now you're just moaning. Dr Doom has had trouble tracking him down cant see why Wolverine cant.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why cant a missle launcher burn the flesh off his legs when bullets pierce his skin? Are you going to moan about everything?

yeah he means that Wolverine took way more damage in that arc alone than 1 throat chop should have been capible of putting him down.