Originally posted by Kris Blaze
yeah, I know. Hardly a feat that would warrant Exodus a telepathic victory.
Considering he was toying with Post-Upgrade Xavier in Legacy and then messed up both Pre-Upgrade Xavier and Jean(Twice) I'd say it does considering Selenes telepathic feats at best are like Psylocke level.
Maybe C&C on X-Force will fix that but so far can't see her winning telepathically.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Considering he was toying with Post-Upgrade Xavier in Legacy and then messed up both Pre-Upgrade Xavier and Jean(Twice) I'd say it does considering Selenes telepathic feats at best are like Psylocke level.Maybe C&C on X-Force will fix that but so far can't see her winning telepathically.
Toying with him? did you read these comics?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Toying with him? did you read these comics?
Did you?
X-Men Legacy #209
Exodus: "Xavier you only live by my mercy and my power! And now-- what? You seek to challenge me, on this psychic plane? I am not your enemy. But if you force me to this, I swear I'll destroy what's left of your mind."
X-Men Legacy #210
Magneto attempts to attack Exodus with a pole, Exodus blasts him with a TK bolt. If Exodus wanted to he could have crushed Xaviers skull with his telekinesis but he didn't. Because he didn't want Xavier dead, he wanted Xavier to lead the Acolytes, he believes that mutantkind needed a leader like Xavier.
Xavier: "These wounds are illusionary."
That entire issue, all Exodus did was use illusions to coax Xavier into his way of thinking.
Exodus: "Do you yield to me or must I go one?"
Exodus: "You misunderstand me. I didn't bring you here in order to fight me. I did those things, all of them because I want you to lead the acolytes."
Xavier: "Are you mad, after what you put me through"
Exodus: "I showed you what you needed to see"
Karima "Exodus had you beaten, you were losing etc..what happened back there?"
Xavier "His strategy was to show me my folly...every scrap of guilt that could be laid at his door. But the man who made those mistakes is dead..."
Exodus wasn't trying to fight him there, he was trying to coax him. He toyed with him the entire issue, needling him about how he was wrong and Magneto was right. And how changing his ways would have saved millions of lives.
As for the fight, she'd lose because her TP feats aren't great. I wanted to start up a respect thread and had all her appearances scanned onto my PC but I never had the time. I might to it after she's dealt with in X-Force.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Did you?X-Men Legacy #209
Exodus: "Xavier you only live by my mercy and my power! And now-- what? You seek to challenge me, on this psychic plane? I am not your enemy. But if you force me to this, I swear I'll destroy what's left of your mind."
X-Men Legacy #210
Magneto attempts to attack Exodus with a pole, Exodus blasts him with a TK bolt. If Exodus wanted to he could have crushed Xaviers skull with his telekinesis but he didn't. Because he didn't want Xavier dead, he wanted Xavier to lead the Acolytes, he believes that mutantkind needed a leader like Xavier.Xavier: "These wounds are illusionary."
That entire issue, all Exodus did was use illusions to coax Xavier into his way of thinking.Exodus: "Do you yield to me or must I go one?"
Exodus: "You misunderstand me. I didn't bring you here in order to fight me. I did those things, all of them because I want you to lead the acolytes."
Xavier: "Are you mad, after what you put me through"
Exodus: "I showed you what you needed to see"
Karima "Exodus had you beaten, you were losing etc..what happened back there?"
Xavier "His strategy was to show me my folly...every scrap of guilt that could be laid at his door. But the man who made those mistakes is dead..."
Exodus wasn't trying to fight him there, he was trying to coax him. He toyed with him the entire issue, needling him about how he was wrong and Magneto was right. And how changing his ways would have saved millions of lives.
As for the fight, she'd lose because her TP feats aren't great. I wanted to start up a respect thread and had all her appearances scanned onto my PC but I never had the time. I might to it after she's dealt with in X-Force.
I know what took place in the comics. The way you use "toying with him" makes it seem like Exodus was superior to Xavier, when this couldn't be further from the truth. Of what relevance is "Exodus could've beaten Xavier with his TK" to this discussion mind you? Killing a defenceless man is hardly something worth boasting about, nor is it OF ANY RELEVANCE to this thread.
Exodus' intentions are irrelevant. He might THINK he is superior to Xavier, but not wanting to kill him does not warrant superiority. Interpret it any way you like, but it's a far cry from evidence that Exodus is superior telepathically. In fact, did not Emma Frost stalemate him with her telepathy?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I know what took place in the comics. The way you use "toying with him" makes it seem like Exodus was superior to Xavier, when this couldn't be further from the truth. Of what relevance is "Exodus could've beaten Xavier with his TK" to this discussion mind you? Killing a defenceless man is hardly something worth boasting about, nor is it OF ANY RELEVANCE to this thread.Exodus' intentions are irrelevant. He might THINK he is superior to Xavier, but not wanting to kill him does not warrant superiority. Interpret it any way you like, but it's a far cry from evidence that Exodus is superior telepathically. In fact, did not Emma Frost stalemate him with her telepathy?
Of course he was superior, the entire time Xavier was on the floor clutching his head. Exodus was superior to Xavier and Jean in Bloodties.
Of what relevance? Exodus was holding back that's the relevance.
Do you really want to go there? Emma pwned Xavier twice since his return with the upgrade. In a fight with Exodus she contained his TK by sacrificing her Diamond Form something Xavier wasn't able to do (Mike Carey wrote both scenarios). But she still needed Dust to finish him off. What's your point?
Oh and Exodus was also superior to Pre-Upgraded Xavier, you know the one that telepathically attacked Selene and caused her to flee. So what relevance does it have in this thread? It means Exodus is better then Selene telepathically. But we already knew that since Dani > Selene telepathically.
You don't know what you're talking about.
1. Getting his brain repaired isn't upgrade. What is hard about that to understand?
2. Xavier wasn't fighting Emma in their recent encounter. And ih they did, he'd pwn her like Sinister.
3. Xavier did contain Exodus's TK as well. Exodus wasn't able to move or react consciously to real world around him, nor use TX afains Charles.
4. It took all Exodus' powers to 'make Xavier clutch his head'. Why do we know that? Because his brain activity and energy output was being measured.
5. It was a telepathic battle with all advantages on Bennet's side, since he could use Xavier's own memories against him. And he got pwned with single counterattack, while Xavier shrugged his attacks off.
Originally posted by Survivor19
[B]You don't know what you're talking about.
I'm really not trying to be rude here, especially 'cause I don't even remember you as a user but:
1. Getting his brain repaired isn't upgrade. What is hard about that to understand?
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2. Xavier wasn't fighting Emma in their recent encounter. And ih they did, he'd pwn her like Sinister.
Emma wasn't fighting Xavier in their recent encounters either. He still got pwned twice.
Umm he didn't pwn Sinister, he needed Shaw and Gambit to destroy the machine in order to defeat Sinister.
3. Xavier did contain Exodus's TK as well. Exodus wasn't able to move or react consciously to real world around him, nor use TX afains Charles.
Eh...no he used it against Magneto.
4. It took all Exodus' powers to 'make Xavier clutch his head'. Why do we know that? Because his brain activity and energy output was being measured.
Let me get back to you on this I will check if she was measuring their limits or energy output.
Just checked, Karima was measuring the output, she didn't say they reached their limits.
5. It was a telepathic battle with all advantages on Bennet's side, since he could use Xavier's own memories against him. And he got pwned with single counterattack, while Xavier shrugged his attacks off.
Xavier didn't shrug of shit until right at the end, all Exodus did was show him illusions because he wanted Charles alive. Charles broke through the illusion at the end through metaphor. If Exodus wanted him dead, he wouldn't have bothered to repair his brain, or make him the leader of the acolytes or you know he would have used more then illusions against him.
