Selene Vs Exodus

I believe having brains splattered inside one's head and then repaired can count as somewhat of a downgrade.

Eh...no he used it against Magneto.

Karima did said she wasn't sure if they both'll make out of it alive. I'd like to say it means they were both at their limit.

Xavier didn't shrug of shit until right at the end, all Exodus did was show him illusions because he wanted Charles alive. Charles broke through the illusion at the end through metaphor. If Exodus wanted him dead, he wouldn't have bothered to repair his brain, or make him the leader of the acolytes or you know use more then illusions against him.

I will repeat this.
Exodus was forced into TP battle by Xavier, and could only fight via his TP. He attacked Xavier, repeatedly, but all it got Charles to put him on knees and dead to rights was 1 mindblast. It's crystal clear who is superior TP.

BTW, can you give me the first instance Emma 'pwned' Xavier?

Originally posted by Survivor19
I believe having brains splattered inside one's head and then repaired can count as somewhat of a downgrade.

Not according to Mike Carey since Exodus did a pretty damn good job.

I gave you the wrong link btw here's the right one:
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/1201196023194.htm

True. Still, his TK was verily contained. He couldn't choke AMgento with it, or attack Xavier with it.

He couldn't use any TK when Emma fought him. I think he blasted Magneto with a fairly large TK blast, he didn't want to attack/hurt Xavier as stated in the issues many times. He wanted Xavier to lead in Magnetos place that's why he didn't attack Xavier Telekinetically or go all out Telepathically.

Karima did said she wasn't sure if they both'll make out of it alive. I'd like to say it means they were both at their limit.

She said I don't think they'll both survive it. Meaning either one will live or both would die...and Magneto had to explain what it was to her so her knowledge on psi is limited. And I wouldn't say it means they're both at their limits.

Oh, really? 'Casting illusions on' IS a telepathic battle, that's why i told you you didn't know what you are talking about. They WERE attack meant to get past Xavier's defences amd make him submit.
And it didn't work.

No it isn't because as stated by Exodus, he wanted to show Xavier the error in his ways so that he could lead the Acolytes. Guilt him into being more like Magneto. They weren't attacks because Exodus as stated many times didn't want Xavier dead it goes against the premise of the entire arc....look at the Sinister/Xavier fight to see attacks (Also written by Mike Carey). You'll see astral dragons, astral shields and loads more metaphor (The pages I'm referring to are both drawn by Scot Eaton)

They weren't mean to get past his defences they were meant to get him to change his ethos. Xavier's blood vessels were about to pop (Stated by Karima) and Exodus asked him to yield. Exodus could have ended that earlier.

I will repeat this.
Exodus was forced into TP battle by Xavier,

Correct

and could only fight via his TP.

False. The issue makes this clear as does his attack on Magneto.

He attacked Xavier, repeatedly,

False he tried to coax Xavier. Compare this with the fight against Sinister.

but all it got Charles to put him on knees and dead to rights was 1 mindblast. It's crystal clear who is superior TP.

False again, he broke out of an illusion an attacked Exodus with a mindblast. Exodus did not mind blast him once in the fight because he didn't want him dead. He didn't kill Xavier with TK because he didn't want him dead.

Exodus wasn't badly hurt after that mindblast just like in bloodties he got right back up. Bennit would have killed him had he wanted to.

BTW, can you give me the first instance Emma 'pwned' Xavier?

World War Hulk: X-Men #2

This is post-upgrade.

Her first time was in her first appearance where she captured and sedated him but that was off-panel so we don't talk about it.

Ok. I see what you're thinking.

I'm also using battle with Sinister as reference. But i'm making another conclusions from it.
Both Essex and Bennet during the fight threw Xavier into 'reliving' his memories. Since that was obviously an attack for Sinister (who was trying to kill him), it is an attack for Bennet as well.
Using guilt as weapon to make opponent drop his guard and maje him vulnerable is old and valid tactic in TP battles. Bennet used that as well.

False he tried to coax Xavier

Originally posted by Survivor19
Ok. I see what you're thinking.

I'm also using battle with Sinister as reference. But i'm making another conclusions from it.
Both Essex and Bennet during the fight threw Xavier into 'reliving' his memories. Since that was obviously an attack for Sinister (who was trying to kill him), it is an attack for Bennet as well.
Using guilt as weapon to make opponent drop his guard and maje him vulnerable is old and valid tactic in TP battles. Bennet used that as well.

Emma also made Xavier relive his memories. Xavier has made Wolverine relive past memories it wasn't an attack.

Nor was it an attack as stated by Sinister it was a divergence tactic. IRRC Sinister says he put Xavier in a psychic loop so he would be preoccupied elsewhere. Sinister wrote himself into Xavier's DNA, so when the machine was activated he would usurp Charle's body, the process was meant to be instantaneous but Xavier was strong enough to resist. The illusions were to distract him in order to wrestle control off his nervous system but even then he didn't give in. Sinister convinced him to sacrifice himself in order to save Cain and Shaw from being usurped.

In the final issue Sinister says again that Xavier is preoccupied elsewhere by a psychic loop. Which is actually different to what Exodus was trying to do since he didn't place him in a loop.

Once Charles broke out of it, we see Astral Hands, Astral Dragons, Astral Shields and an Astral Fight. Which is something we've see in most Astral Fights, Psychic Armour like in Karma vs. SK or Jean vs. Gamemaster or Xavier vs. SK or Psylocke vs. SK or Jean vs. Psylocke, Emma vs. Mastermind, Sinister vs. The X-Men, SK vs. The X-Men, Jean and Psylocke vs. SK.

False, he was fighting him.
Because when one tries to coax, he just does that.
Bennet had intention of recruiting Xavier to his cause, but the fight broke out before he got to them. In the fight he was trying to defeat Xavier and break free from Astral plane to use his full abilities. He said at the beginning of the fight himself:
"If you force me to this, i swear i'll destroy what is left of your mind".
So, they WERE fighting, both of them.
And Bennet didn't have a chance of killing Charles, since he was owned by him. [/B]

No, if he was fighting him then so was Emma since she also took him through a painful walkthrough in the Walkthrough arc.
Bennit wasn't trying to kill Xavier. That's why he asked him to yield and lead the Acolytes.

He had access to both TP and TK in the fight that is fact, don't know where you're getting this Carey isn't Grant Morrison complex.

Yes before that he said you're not my enemy. And again he asked him to yield and tried to get him to see the error in his ethos.

Of course he would have had he wanted him dead, had he attacked him with a mind blast or TK blast instead of making him relive his mistakes in order to coax him.

Bennit wanted him alive that is fact as well. That is the whole premise of the arc.