Originally posted by Slaanesh
what??he has Tsukuyomi which i believe can onshot Pain..one looked into the eyes and it's over..he has susano that makes him completely invulnerable..he has Amaterasu that can oneshot any off the 6 body..and he's fast..way faster than pain..
Susanoo can kill him if he uses it to long, so Pein can just stay out of range.
Ametarasu can be absorbed by the absorbing Pein or repelled by god realm.
Now, speaking of techniques, how could Itachi survive a Shinra or Chibaku?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Tsukiyomi can take out one Pain body. Unless he hits the revival pain first, he it'll be back.Susanoo can kill him if he uses it to long, so Pein can just stay out of range.
Ametarasu can be absorbed by the absorbing Pein or repelled by god realm.
Now, speaking of techniques, how could Itachi survive a Shinra or Chibaku?
all their eyes are link with the real Pain..Pain sees through those 6 body..if one get caught with Tsukiyomi..i bet the real Pain will have the same effect..all u have to do is look into Itachi eyes and it's over..
what??when did he says that he can't use it for long..when we saw him using it..he was already dying 😐
okie..maybe it won't work on those two..
with susano maybe..and he can move faster than Pain..Pain won't use Chibaku if Itachi is close to him..
That "all-eye" argument has never really been supported by anything. They all hear what the other bodies hear, but the toad-genjutsu only affected the three bodies that heard it. The Genjutsu seems isolated and if worst comes Nagato could just cut off and restart their chakra to escape like Kirabi did.
He can use it for a while but it drains his life to use so Pein can just fly higher than it's reach and Itachi will have to stop it... plus Chibaku could probably seal susanoo in stone if he needs to.
Since when is Itachi faster than Pein? Maybe he is but he has to deal with six bodies so he'd have to be like 6x Pein's speed to deal with them all.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That "all-eye" argument has never really been supported by anything. They all hear what the other bodies hear, but the toad-genjutsu only affected the three bodies that heard it. The Genjutsu seems isolated and if worst comes Nagato could just cut off and restart their chakra to escape like Kirabi did.He can use it for a while but it drains his life to use so Pein can just fly higher than it's reach and Itachi will have to stop it... plus Chibaku could probably seal susanoo in stone if he needs to.
Since when is Itachi faster than Pein? Maybe he is but he has to deal with six bodies so he'd have to be like 6x Pein's speed to deal with them all.
the toad-genjustsu did effect nagato..that 6 body is nagato..it's just that that genjutsu kill those body..not nagato himself..dude..Tsukiyomi is not some stupid genjutsu u can escape with just cutting off chakra..Kirabi escape because he got the 8-tail beast inside him..Pain doesn't have that..
ah man..Pain can fly..i forgot that..okie..maybe he can seal susano..
Itachi is faster..he has better speed feat..much better that those 6 body..and he's a better fighter with more skill..
It didn't incapacitate Nagato because otherwise the other three bodies couldn't have come and revived the others. Only the three bodies that heard it were affected. There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting otherwise. And yes, cutting off your chakra can stop Tsukiyomi... that's how Kirabi escaped. The beast cut off his chakra. No different from what Nagato could do except it would be nagato instead of 8-tails doing it.
So yeah, none of Itachi's primary jutsus can take out Pein. On the other hand God realm's three jutsus can hurt Itachi.
He may be faster but Pein can fly so his hand-to-hand combat won't be getting Itachi anywhere... the six bodies could also just gang up on him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It didn't incapacitate Nagato because otherwise the other three bodies couldn't have come and revived the others. Only the three bodies that heard it were affected. There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting otherwise. And yes, cutting off your chakra can stop Tsukiyomi... that's how Kirabi escaped. The beast cut off his chakra. No different from what Nagato could do except it would be nagato instead of 8-tails doing it.So yeah, none of Itachi's primary jutsus can take out Pein. On the other hand God realm's three jutsus can hurt Itachi.
He may be faster but Pein can fly so his hand-to-hand combat won't be getting Itachi anywhere... the six bodies could also just gang up on him.
it did..they can't move..mean nagato can't move..those body are just puppet..it doesn't have a mind..they are all nagato..nagato can't move those body because he was affected by the genjutsu..no..kirabi escape because of 8-tail..he can't escape Tsukiyomi without 8-tail..Pain doesn't have anyone to help him..
Originally posted by Slaanesh
it did..they can't move..mean nagato can't move..those body are just puppet..it doesn't have a mind..they are all nagato..nagato can't move those body because he was affected by the genjutsu..no..kirabi escape because of 8-tail..he can't escape Tsukiyomi without 8-tail..Pain doesn't have anyone to help him..
This logic is just completely unsupported by anything. It even clashes with the way all genjutsus work. Itachi soloing pain is quite laughabke indeed.
Shinra tensei oneshots both kakashi and itachi easily. Matchover.
Originally posted by Csdabest
You must look at what they were slung into. They all hit something hard and crashed in mountains. Shinra tensei by itself does nothing but push people back. All those who didnt fly back hard into something got out with minimal damage. Kakashi was slung into a building and was in rubble and still was fine. Not only that but Kakashi knows Pain secret of his jutsu and what is capable of beating it. Wall climb. If he performs his chou shinra kakashi and itachi will most likely survive. And The main pain would be out for like 10 mins. And Pain has no defense against Susano'o or Kamui. Yet counters for Pain are availble.
Actually two of the frogs crashed into trees or simply the ground. It wasnt the landing thatdid it but rather the concussive force of shinra tensei itself. Its a wave of concussive force that repels evrything from pain. ITs not some form of wind that blows things away. Shinra hits with enough concussive force to turns buildings into rubble and even cause damage to the ground itself. If he uses an attack even remotely close to the one he used on Gamabunta and his crew then kakashi and itachi will both be dead. And there is nothing stopping him from doing so.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This logic is just completely unsupported by anything. It even clashes with the way all genjutsus work. Itachi soloing pain is quite laughabke indeed.Shinra tensei oneshots both kakashi and itachi easily. Matchover.
genjutsu effect the mind or sense..those dead body doesn't even have a mind or any other sense..it's all nagato..don't tell me u actually think that genjutsu work on dead body 😐
Tsukiyomi oneshots Pain easily. Matchover 😬
Originally posted by Slaanesh
genjutsu effect the mind or sense..those dead body doesn't even have a mind or any other sense..it's all nagato..don't tell me u actually think that genjutsu work on dead body 😐Tsukiyomi oneshots Pain easily. Matchover 😬
Retarded. Genjutsu works by manipulating the chakra in ur opponent nervous system by extending ur own into them. The bodies animated by nagato have fullly working senses hence the reason they were able to hear Jiraiyas genjutsu in the first place. It had to go diretly into their physical ears(we saw such n panel). Without nagato being present their is no way it could have worked. The same goes for tsukuyumi . Tsukuyumi can only work on the pain body its directed at. It will only succeed in weakening itachi and leving him open for attack. He would be oneshotted by shinra tensei before hand anyways.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Retarded. Genjutsu works by manipulating the chakra in ur opponent nervous system by extending ur own into them. The bodies animated by nagato have fullly working senses hence the reason they were able to hear Jiraiyas genjutsu in the first place. It had to go diretly into their physical ears(we saw such n panel). Without nagato being present their is no way it could have worked. The same goes for tsukuyumi . Tsukuyumi can only work on the pain body its directed at. It will only succeed in weakening itachi and leving him open for attack. He would be oneshotted by shinra tensei before hand anyways.
what??dead body doesn't have any sense..they never shown any..when they got hit..they don't show any kinda pain..cuz they don't feel any..they are dead..u got me..dead..genjutsu don't work on dead people..they have chakra that nagato give them..but what would genjutsu do to a body with chakra but no mind..nothing..that toad genjutsu..when u hear the sound..it paralyze u rite cuz i don't really remember..nagato heard that sound..so he must be paralyze..that's why those body can't move..u said that genjutsu work by manipulating chakra..nagato chakra is conected to those body..