ROTS Obi Wan vs Maul · Star Wars Versus Forum

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Higilo
I understand that ranks in the sith mean nothing, due to the rule of two, but all i was saying is that Obi Wan is more experienced in ROTS and would defeat Maul legitimately due to his gained intelligence in both the force and with his skills in dueling.

Obi Wan was a Jedi Master, Darth Maul was a Sith Padawan. In the TPM any one of the council members could of beaten Maul, and i believe that is the same case in ROTS

....You never said that at all in your first post, which only suggests that you were basing your decision on rank alone. I agree that Obiwan wins (with difficulty) but you need to do a better job of clarifying your position.

Maul was good, but only beat Qui Gon because they were in a confined space, which puts Qui Gon at a disadvantage.

The novel/Qui-gon's thoughts say that Maul led the jedi to that particular area and was the one directing the fight. And this doesn't excuse Maul making Bondara realize that he couldn't beat Maul but that's a different discussion.

Higilo Member

Understood, but if you agreed with my position on Obi Wan's victory, why make such a fuss on my evidence backing my point, when we both agree on the same conclusion, unless you were trying to educate me, in which case i appreciate your efforts.

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Originally posted by Higilo
In the TPM any one of the council members could of beaten Maul, and i believe that is the same case in ROTS

Really? Based on what evidence? Support your claim.

Higilo Member

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Really? Based on what evidence? Support your claim.

Qui Gon, a candidate for the council, was defeated by Maul, because Maul manipulated the environment, and because it was PIS. Therefore if in the right situation any of them could of won, in my opinion. Plus i also believe ROTS council was slightly stronger than TPM.

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Originally posted by Higilo
[B]Qui Gon, a candidate for the council, was defeated by Maul, because Maul manipulated the environment, and because it was PIS. Therefore if in the right situation any of them could of won, in my opinion.

Anoon Bondara couldn't defeat Maul, he knew he couldn't win and plunged his blade into a speeder bike to try and finish Maul.

Hell Bondara's apprentice lasted longer. Who was a padawan at the same time as Obi Wan Pre TPM.

You'll read that in the novel Shadowhunter. So that's one Master who couldn't beat Maul.

Higilo Member

I should not generalise, but my point still stands, and although we all have different paths on this topic our location is the same

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by Higilo
Qui Gon, a candidate for the council, was defeated by Maul, because Maul manipulated the environment, and because it was PIS. Therefore if in the right situation any of them could of won, in my opinion. Plus i also believe ROTS council was slightly stronger than TPM.

Thats total rubbish. Qui-Gon had enough open space on tatooine, and how did that end? With Qui-Gon running away for his life and completely exhausted after only a short fight.

And contrary to common beleif Qui-Gon was a very formidable jedi. Thats why the Council probably assumed that QuiGon + his formidable apprentice would be more than a match for the mysterious dark warrior.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Im quite surprised everyones voted for Obiwan. And I dnt think anyones given a reason WHY he wins, or countered what Obiwan has against all Maul's different skills/abilites and physical conditioning.

So I still say Maul wins, however I do beleive it would be an awsome fight either way.

DUOLC OLLOPA Restricted

Yeah Qui-Gon Jinn has some pretty amazing accolades; his [unnamed] Jedi Weapons Master claimed that he was the most gifted student he had trained in over 400 years of teaching the Jedi Order, he was considered "a master duelist by anyone's standards," and Anoon Bondara, most technically skilled swordsman of the entire Order, doubted his own ability after having sparred with Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jinn.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Obi Wan was able to beat Anakin (albiet using his wits, but the two were still evenly matched for most of the duel) who beat DOOKU. And many people claim that Dooku could beat Mace (which isn't true, but it still says something that people think that it is), whereas almost NOONE claims that Maul could beat Mace... *waits for Nemesis/Lucien/etc. to jump on that and say that it's an ABC argument which automatically makes it null*

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Obi Wan was able to beat Anakin (albiet using his wits, but the two were still evenly matched for most of the duel) who beat DOOKU. And many people claim that Dooku could beat Mace (which isn't true, but it still says something that people think that it is), whereas almost NOONE claims that Maul could beat Mace... *waits for Nemesis/Lucien/etc. to jump on that and say that it's an ABC argument which automatically makes it null*

Because it is an ABC argument. You're not even factoring that Maul and Dooku fight different type of battles. Dooku may try to use the force before Mace fully submerges into Vapaad which could spell defeat for Mace but Maul hasn't really shown to use the force offensively, only on himself. That type of information is why we avoid abc arguments.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Sorry for the double post.

Originally posted by Higilo
I should not generalise, but my point still stands, and although we all have different paths on this topic our location is the same

It doesn't matter if we end at the same point, the information must be right. TPM novel has Qui-gon recognizing that Maul was controlling the fight while he backing them up into an area that hurts Ataru users. That doesn't discredit Maul's defeat at Qui-gon at all. Also, simply saying that the ROTS council>TPM council doesn't mean that Maul couldn't kill anyone on it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stass_Allie

Taker her for example, I would love to see proof that she could beat Maul. yet she was on the ROTS council....

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Because it is an ABC argument. You're not even factoring that Maul and Dooku fight different type of battles. Dooku may try to use the force before Mace fully submerges into Vapaad which could spell defeat for Mace but Maul hasn't really shown to use the force offensively, only on himself. That type of information is why we avoid abc arguments.

WHAT??? What makes you think that Maul doesn't tend to use the force offensively? He force pushed Obi Wan off the ledge? So sure, he didn't perform a bunch of fancy/strong attacks, but that's because in all of the movies he only fought for less than half an hour...you never see Padme sleeping with Anakin so surely Luke is born of a virgin mother!!!!

mattatom UNSC's finest.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WHAT??? What makes you think that Maul doesn't tend to use the force offensively? He force pushed Obi Wan off the ledge? So sure, he didn't perform a bunch of fancy/strong attacks, but that's because in all of the movies he only fought for less than half an hour...you never see Padme sleeping with Anakin so surely Luke is born of a virgin mother!!!!

Tbf thats the same as Shmi, she could be a Virgin when she gave birth to Anakin. Minus the canon ofcourse.

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Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WHAT??? What makes you think that Maul doesn't tend to use the force offensively? He force pushed Obi Wan off the ledge?

One example of using the force offensively (especially given then the room in which the duel takes place) doesn't mean he commonly uses the force offensively in other duels. It's been a while since I read Shadow Hunter or any other material with Maul in it, but from what I recall I don't remember him using the force offensively in any way other to augment his abilities.

So sure, he didn't perform a bunch of fancy/strong attacks, but that's because in all of the movies he only fought for less than half an hour...you never see Padme sleeping with Anakin so surely Luke is born of a virgin mother!!!!

There's a reason why the vs forum is located in the EU FORUM.

CadoAngelus Zanpakuto

I'm going with Kenobi because of his duel with Grievous...now, before accusations, i'm not going to go into A<B<C>A but it might be mistaken for such...

Kenobi was able to see straight through Grievous' attack with four lightsabers, he defended against 2 lightsabers while clashing with another 2...

Whereas, Mauls lightsaber is dual bladed, it counts as one blade at a time in quick succession. Given such, Kenobi would defend either end of the saber and overcome Maul eventually...as for Mauls speed, it would simply hinder Kenobi.

Janus Marius Plo Koon Rulez!

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
I'm going with Kenobi because of his duel with Grievous...now, before accusations, i'm not going to go into [b]A<B<C>A but it might be mistaken for such...
Kenobi was able to see straight through Grievous' attack with four lightsabers, he defended against 2 lightsabers while clashing with another 2...
Whereas, Mauls lightsaber is dual bladed, it counts as one blade at a time in quick succession. Given such, Kenobi would defend either end of the saber and overcome Maul eventually...as for Mauls speed, it would simply hinder Kenobi. [/B]

The main difference is that Grievous isn't a Force user on Maul's level. But the multiple attack angles and Kenobi's defense has got to count for something. Obi-Wan's main problem is that he can't overcome a saber user with superior skill; he has to wait for an exploit. I can't see Maul being cautious in a one-on-one.

CadoAngelus Zanpakuto

Originally posted by Janus Marius
The main difference is that Grievous isn't a Force user on Maul's level. But the multiple attack angles and Kenobi's defense has got to count for something. Obi-Wan's main problem is that he can't overcome a saber user with superior skill; he has to wait for an exploit. I can't see Maul being cautious in a one-on-one.

Yes! Maul didn't really use the force in TPM apart from to force push Kenobi into the hole. I don't have any reason he'd need to use it until/unless he was, once again, planning the duel down to the last minute...

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by Janus Marius
The main difference is that Grievous isn't a Force user on Maul's level. But the multiple attack angles and Kenobi's defense has got to count for something. Obi-Wan's main problem is that he can't overcome a saber user with superior skill; he has to wait for an exploit. I can't see Maul being cautious in a one-on-one.

Maul isn't superior to Obi Wan in skill, or at least there isn't any proof of that...

Janus Marius Plo Koon Rulez!

Maul isn't superior to Obi Wan in skill, or at least there isn't any proof of that...

RotS Obi-Wan has never been directly stacked against Maul in canon material. It's up to people who make assertions (Read: bold, possibly unsupported claims) to back up their reasoning and make this argument work.