power: Paul. the man dusts human sized boulders, busts down walls and kicks grizzly ass for fun.
experience: paul. 48 years of street fighting and hasn't slowed down a bit
skill: arguable but since he's more experienced and the fact that he has stalemated/defeated Mishimas shows how insane he is
speed: Ken
i'd also point out that Paul is WAY more versatile incorporating submission holds, grapples and just has way more firepower than ken ever did. he has judo, karate, street fighting and what I think is Sambo all rolled into one bike riding, asskicking package.
the result: Paul stomps ken. ken has no feats, people. its time we all accept that.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
power: Paul. the man dusts human sized boulders, busts down walls and kicks grizzly ass for fun.
experience: paul. 48 years of street fighting and hasn't slowed down a bit
skill: arguable but since he's more experienced and the fact that he has stalemated/defeated Mishimas shows how insane he is
speed: Ken
i'd also point out that Paul is WAY more versatile incorporating submission holds, grapples and just has way more firepower than ken ever did. he has judo, karate, street fighting and what I think is Sambo all rolled into one bike riding, asskicking package.the result: Paul stomps ken. ken has no feats, people. its time we all accept that.
~Sado
Ken does have a couple feats under the table somewhere.. you know hadoken, his shoryukens are devastating. itd be a good fight tho.. my moneys on paul
* strength - i think, Paul but not much...
* experience - Ken... training since he's a kid with Ryu, it's one hell of a training until he decides to be a family man, and he got a sensei for guidance... whilst, Paul does not have any discipline, consumed by recklessness, he was once defeated by Kuma... correct me if i'm wrong...
* skill - pretty even... Ken is near-equal, if not equal, with Ryu in terms of skill only preferring style instead of effectiveness, feat of his includes holding his own against Bison (although he is with Sakura)... Paul's greatest feat, i think, was when he defeated Kazuya unofficially...
* speed - pretty even also, but seems Ken is quicker, he is famous for his crazy kicks, esp. the Shippu Jinrai Kyaku, mastering that and the 5-hit Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku says it all, that's speed...
* firepower - Ken, of course... SF characters has advantage over projectiles...
* i don't know... if it's a friendly skirmish/sparring, it would be a draw, it's between Ken's speed versus Paul's strength... if it's a battle to death, i lean towards Ken... Ken might not have feats but Ryu does, and he's damn near-equal, if not equal, to Ryu... 🙂
strength - i think, Paul but not much..
experience - Ken... training since he's a kid with Ryu, it's one hell of a training until he decides to be a family man, and he got a sensei for guidance... whilst, Paul does not have any discipline, consumed by recklessness, he was once defeated by Kuma... correct me if i'm wrong.
skill - pretty even... Ken is near-equal, if not equal, with Ryu in terms of skill only preferring style instead of effectiveness, feat of his includes holding his own against Bison (although he is with Sakura)... Paul's greatest feat, i think, was when he defeated Kazuya unofficially.
speed - pretty even also, but seems Ken is quicker, he is famous for his crazy kicks, esp. the Shippu Jinrai Kyaku, mastering that and the 5-hit Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku says it all, that's speed...
firepower - Ken, of course... SF characters has advantage over projectiles.
* i don't know... if it's a friendly skirmish/sparring, it would be a draw, it's between Ken's speed versus Paul's strength... if it's a battle to death, i lean towards Ken... Ken might not have feats but Ryu does, and he's damn near-equal, if not equal, to Ryu...
Paul>Ken, 7/10
Paul>Ryu, 6/10
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
dude, ken never came close to the kind of feat Paul has shown. the day ken dusts a larger-than-human boulder with a single punch, let me know.
* i love both characters, dude... i never said Ken is stronger than Paul, i've given that criteria to Paul, but Ken is not far behind... just like in speed category where i said Ken is quicker than Paul but Paul is not far behind...
Originally posted by Sado22
Paul's 48 years old, hasn't slowed down a bit and has been training deligently not only in dojos but also on the streets. Ken dojo dorked for 10 years,
* Ken is in a serious training with Ryu... SF canon plotguide even said that he was even a virgin before he met Eliza proving he is practicing abstinence during his training...
Originally posted by Sado22
stopped it and went to American, got hitched and between SFA3 and SF2 he was actually bumming around and neglecting his training (only ryu's challenge made him train again).
true, Ken's fighting spirit deteriorated when he settled down to raised a family with Eliza, but when he received a letter from Ryu and was encouraged to enter the tournament (SF 3), his spirit was rekindled... he was on his tip-top shape once again, and added Shippu Jinrai Kyaku to his deadly arsenal...
Originally posted by Sado22
Paul lost to Kuma because of recklessnes, true, but keep in mind that he just got screwed in the T3 tournament (having won it, remaining undefeated against all opponents and even defeating Ogre but not being named champ because Jin Kazama defeated True Ogre). he lost focus because he was disappointed and he was overly conscerned with wanting to fight Kazuya again he was being reckless.
* i still think it's pretty even... Paul, while being stronger, tends to lose focus... i think it's a draw in skill and experience...
Originally posted by Sado22
keep in mind also that paul has more diversity than ken. while ken only has karate strikes, Paul has judo, submission, sambo, brawling, karate etc...he's actually MMA. he also has reversals, holds, throws and other things. that's why i'd give skill and experience to Paul, not ken.
* i don't know about this concept, but what i can remember from the battle of Sanosuke and the monk Angie (Rurouni Kenshin), Kenshin advised Sanosuke that a man having two swords does not mean he can always beat a man having only one... even if you have only one but you can hit more effective shots, that's what counts most... similarly, Paul having many martial arts in his arsenal does not automatically mean he can beat anyone who has known lesser... but i gave Paul that credit that's why i still say they're even in skill...
Originally posted by Sado22
he never defeated Kazuya.
* yes... sorry... Paul defeated Ogre, and walked out thinking he was already the winner not knowing True Ogre emerged afterwards...
* Paul never defeated Kazuya, but he stalemated him proving his great strength and skill...
Originally posted by Sado22
Ken has defeated Ryu once when ryu wasn't focused and in SF2 which isn't canonically prooved as of yet.
* it was already confirmed that Ken really did beat an unfocused Ryu, but that does not mean anyone can beat Ryu in that state... they have been rivals and who knows how many matches they have made with each other... it can be correctly implied that Ken really is as good as Ryu... and with that, any Ryu feat can also be related with Ken but in a lesser degree, am i right?
Originally posted by Sado22
Paul has a draw with Kazuya, an unconfirmed but obvious win over Heihachi and pre-devil Jin in Tekken3, a win over Ogre and a wiped the floor with two girzzly bears without weapons or projectiles. Paul has defeated the toptiers of his universe......and please remember that the Mishima's have shown endurance, durablity and power feats that Ken can't even compare to (or even ryu for that matter).
* but can be compared with Gouki, perhaps? but not Shin Gouki of course... i don't know, i think Ken and Ryu can hold their own against a normal Gouki...
Originally posted by Sado22
this one i'd give to Ken. Paul aint slow at all but Ken is more speed based than Paul who is power based.
* agreed...
Originally posted by Sado22
true, but aside from range, hadouken hold no other advantage.
* yes, and range is, if not the best, one of the best advantages in a fight...
Originally posted by Sado22
yes he is as good as ryu, but even between ryu and paul, i'd give the fight to Paul. power, speed, experience, durability all backed by feats as opposed to boring 3 moves that have no feats.Paul>Ken, 7/10
Paul>Ryu, 6/10~Sado
* feats or no feats, the strength of the character can also be seen in their canon storyline... well, yeah, having no feats is clearly <<< over someone who has but judging from gameplay, i lean towards a quicker character over someone who is stronger... 🙂
i love both characters, dude... i never said Ken is stronger than Paul, i've given that criteria to Paul, but Ken is not far behind... just like in speed category where i said Ken is quicker than Paul but Paul is not far behind.
Ken is in a serious training with Ryu... SF canon plotguide even said that he was even a virgin before he met Eliza proving he is practicing abstinence during his training
true, Ken's fighting spirit deteriorated when he settled down to raised a family with Eliza, but when he received a letter from Ryu and was encouraged to enter the tournament (SF 3), his spirit was rekindled... he was on his tip-top shape once again, and added Shippu Jinrai Kyaku to his deadly arsenal.
* i still think it's pretty even... Paul, while being stronger, tends to lose focus... i think it's a draw in skill and experience..
i don't know about this concept, but what i can remember from the battle of Sanosuke and the monk Angie (Rurouni Kenshin), Kenshin advised Sanosuke that a man having two swords does not mean he can always beat a man having only one... even if you have only one but you can hit more effective shots, that's what counts most... similarly, Paul having many martial arts in his arsenal does not automatically mean he can beat anyone who has known lesser... but i gave Paul that credit that's why i still say they're even in skill...
it was already confirmed that Ken really did beat an unfocused Ryu, but that does not mean anyone can beat Ryu in that state... they have been rivals and who knows how many matches they have made with each other... it can be correctly implied that Ken really is as good as Ryu... and with that, any Ryu feat can also be related with Ken but in a lesser degree, am i right?
but can be compared with Gouki, perhaps? but not Shin Gouki of course... i don't know, i think Ken and Ryu can hold their own against a normal Gouki
yes, and range is, if not the best, one of the best advantages in a fight...
feats or no feats, the strength of the character can also be seen in their canon storyline... well, yeah, having no feats is clearly <<< over someone who has but judging from gameplay, i lean towards a quicker character over someone who is stronger...
~Sado
honestly i dont know what your talking about... Ryu would whoooooooooppp paul with his eyes shut.. thats why i made it ken vs paul. Ryu is way to powerful for paul he can dodge bullets.
and just cuz he can dodge bullets doesn't mean shite. he's still been punched by people in the face...punches which are slower than bullets. paul's got better feats than ryu. dusting a boulder with a regular move is much more impressive than.....well, anything ryu's done to date.
are we including purely video games or feats from movies as well?
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
not a problem, mate 😄
I pick strength over speed~Sado
* and i pick speed over strength, hahaha!!! 😄 but i admit, i love both characters... Paul is my favorite Tekken character, close 2nd is Lei... in SF, Ken of course then Guile... 🙂
Originally posted by SuperkatmanX
honestly i dont know what your talking about... Ryu would whoooooooooppp paul with his eyes shut.. thats why i made it ken vs paul. Ryu is way to powerful for paul he can dodge bullets.
* i strongly disagree that Ryu can beat Paul and with much ease... Paul is a very tough guy, my friend... and by fighting seriously, he might even defeat Ryu... i vouch for Paul whilst in some criteria Ryu might have an edge... 🙂
i strongly disagree that Ryu can beat Paul and with much ease... Paul is a very tough guy, my friend... and by fighting seriously, he might even defeat Ryu... i vouch for Paul whilst in some criteria Ryu might have an edge...
Originally posted by Sado22
ditto. Paul's a beast. any guy who has no special bloodline or special powers but pure will and skill to hang in there and even defeat the mishima's is a one tough son of a b!tch. and honestly, ryu doesn't have a chance against the Mishimas. kazuya and jin literally shattered all the glass of a building with the impact force of their punches which actually missed. THAT is mishimas! even evil ryu has no feats that compare to that!
So says the man who faps over any conceivable chance to discredit SFer so much he can fill a supertanker or 10... 😘 😉
Seriously though, E.Ryu or current Ryu both have feats over Paul, breaking boulders? hows about lifting them. Challenging non deviled Mishima's? Gouki beats out any Devil in the feats department, and Ryu hung with him, (Beat him more than once, which is better than anyone elses record against Gouki)...