Ken Masters Vs Paul Pheonix

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Originally posted by SuperkatmanX
honestly i dont know what your talking about... Ryu would whoooooooooppp paul with his eyes shut.. thats why i made it ken vs paul. Ryu is way to powerful for paul he can dodge bullets.

What does dodging bullets have to do with power?

Are we sure that preview was canon? Paul had the upper hand on Bryan if that's the case. I'm not disagreeing, just wondering

why not. Paul's always been a higher tier than Bryan anyway. not to mention that Paul actually has been able to tango and (very possibly defeat) Heihachi and pre-fullyawakened-devil-powers Jin in T3, pwned Ogre and had a stalemate with Kazuya in T1 and (according to one Jun fansite) defeated Jun in T2 as well. the man's a toptier since T1.

Bryan is uppermidtier mostly. he has great feats but he never really did much in any tournament, let alone win or come close to winning. Paul went til the semis in T1, semis in T2, practically won the thing in T3. remember that he was UNDEFEATED in T3....a tournament that had Bryan, Jin, Heihachi, Hworang and other tough fighters.

So says the man who faps over any conceivable chance to discredit SFer so much he can fill a supertanker or 10

well, you tell me something that ryu's done in terms of striking power that even comes close to shattering the glasses of a building in blows that didn't even connect. that's right, mate, those punches actually missed and STILL shattered the glass. and yet SF fanboys are talking about Gouken blowing back a waterfall as a feat. notice also that when jin did the jumping punch, he caused a wavelike motion on the hard tiles. that's insane power right there. not to mention that the moment they were in punching position the ground had started to shatter and float around them. all insane power feats, my friends.

Seriously though, E.Ryu or current Ryu both have feats over Paul, breaking boulders? hows about lifting them.

we're talking about striking power, mate. and I'm pretty sure a man that can dust boulders with a punch can carry them if he has to. remember that the dude was literally cycling while carrying his whole harley strapped to his bike. bikes weight a motherphucker.

Gouki beats out any Devil in the feats department, and Ryu hung with him, (Beat him more than once, which is better than anyone elses record against Gouki)...

which was blatant PIS and we all know it. not to mention that it wasn't SHIN akuma but regular akuma. the feats we're talking about are for Shin akuma, not regular akuma. and even then, ryu's hogan routine amounts to absolutley nothing but plot induced stupidity.

the devils really don't get even a quarter of the screen time that Akuma has gotten over the years. what little we've seen of them, however, makes them insane.
-Devil Kazuya was able to smack and oneshot Heihachi in T4 with just a glare of his eyes...makes you wonder how powerful the beam is.
-Devil Jin was able to crush and destroy bob's bike without effort
-and remained immune to burning fuel and the explosion and didn't evne flinch
-Devil jin wrecked up a huge part of the forest
-healing factor: jin got shot like phuck in T3 but had not a single scratch on him 3 seconds later because of he turned into Devil Jin
-Jinpachi Mishima actually was a threat to all existence on earth....something akuma can't even hold a candle to

~Sado

whats with the whole paul can dust boulders,, ryus hadouken can blow up buildings,, his shinku hadoukens are way stronger,, ryu lives and breaths only for fihghting.. Paul is out classed in this

whats with the whole paul can dust boulders,, ryus hadouken can blow up buildings,, his shinku hadoukens are way stronger,, ryu lives and breaths only for fihghting.. Paul is out classed in this

noncanon. officially, ryu's hadouken feels like a well landed kick.

Originally posted by Sado22
noncanon. officially, ryu's hadouken feels like a well landed kick.

where does it officially say this.

Originally posted by SuperkatmanX
where does it officially say this.

it was from a book "hadouken no nazo". And street fighter plot guide posted it. Not only Ryu's hadouken. it's for Chun-Li's kikouken, Ken's hadouken, etc.

Originally posted by Sado22
why not. Paul's always been a higher tier than Bryan anyway. not to mention that Paul actually has been able to tango and (very possibly defeat) Heihachi and pre-fullyawakened-devil-powers Jin in T3, pwned Ogre and had a stalemate with Kazuya in T1 and (according to one Jun fansite) defeated Jun in T2 as well. the man's a toptier since T1.

Bryan is uppermidtier mostly. he has great feats but he never really did much in any tournament, let alone win or come close to winning. Paul went til the semis in T1, semis in T2, practically won the thing in T3. remember that he was UNDEFEATED in T3....a tournament that had Bryan, Jin, Heihachi, Hworang and other tough fighters.
~Sado


I've always maintained that Paul is one of the more powerful fighters in Tekken canon and I don't have a problem with him beating Bryan. I'm saying that we don't know if that little preview was actually canon material, or if it was just a graphical display. Fighting games, games in general really, have been known to showcase new graphics by simply having characters give a little demo. I just don't think we should start mentioning those feats yet.

I've always maintained that Paul is one of the more powerful fighters in Tekken canon and I don't have a problem with him beating Bryan. I'm saying that we don't know if that little preview was actually canon material, or if it was just a graphical display. Fighting games, games in general really, have been known to showcase new graphics by simply having characters give a little demo. I just don't think we should start mentioning those feats yet.

maybe, but i feel that Namco wouldn't go out of their way to show stuff their character can't actually do just to show new graphics. i think they establish tiers or at least hint at tiers through those anyway. like Jin>Lee and Xiao>Nina back in the TTT days or stuff like that.
oh and needless to say, whatever they showed in that add doesn't really negate anything either.

btw, long time no see dude. where ya been? 🙂

~Sado

Not sure if this was mentioned. Paul and Bryan created a lite version of the force by Jin and Kazuya in one of the BR trailers. The following shows Paul pretty much beating up Bryan Fury, a person who doesn't get impacted as much by machine gun power or a tank assault. Then it shows Paul and Fury's punches stalemating considering Bryan can toss the top part of a tank for about a hundred yards.

YouTube video

-Edit- Oh, I guess it was brought up but not discussed in detail.

Not canon? I don't remember Namco ever introducing something in a trailer for an upcoming game that wasn't canon, at least not for Tekken.

As for the JinvsKaz part, why would it not be canon? The fact Jin and Kazuya will be facing off is a given. They're the leaders of the opposing organizations and the trailer(s) all hint that they will fight each other. Heihachi wants revenge. 'Nuff said.

Then there's the fact that even if it isn't, thread maker can allow it as he or she pleases.

that's actually a power feat for Paul. he's hurting a guy who's practically immune to gunshots, tank shells and he stalemated the dude's punch.........a punch from the guy who can tear off the top of a tank and toss it several hundred feat away wihtout much effort.

Paul>>Ken

Originally posted by Sado22
maybe, but i feel that Namco wouldn't go out of their way to show stuff their character can't actually do just to show new graphics. i think they establish tiers or at least hint at tiers through those anyway. like Jin>Lee and Xiao>Nina back in the TTT days or stuff like that.
oh and needless to say, whatever they showed in that add doesn't really negate anything either.

btw, long time no see dude. where ya been? 🙂

~Sado


Yeah, I agree that Paul wins either way. I just think, at least for consistency's sake, we should wait to mention that stuff.

Nowhere special really. I just don't get as deeply involved in these threads as much. I do miss the old days though. *Reminisces*

Originally posted by Shutter Shack
Not canon? I don't remember Namco ever introducing something in a trailer for an upcoming game that wasn't canon, at least not for Tekken.

Then there's the fact that even if it isn't, thread maker can allow it as he or she pleases.


I didn't say it was non canon. I said we should wait to use it.

True, but he didn't specify. Typically, we'd stick to canon unless otherwise stated.

dude use what ever you want, just dont make me bring out Dark Hadou. His Ryu you cant **** with that

...that makes little sense...and it seems you forgot the reason you made this thread. 😛

I'm saying Namco has not released non-canon stuff for their trailers for Tekken, ever. They only used part of intro sequences in their trailers, so there's no reason to think that for their 5th (or 6th) project they're going to show non-canon material. I know it's a guess, but a much greater guess than thinking it'll be part of a person's non-canon ending...

So it's allowed regardless? Paul undeniably has the edge as of this point. I guess SFIV didn't add enough to Ken's list, if it did anything.

what are evil ryu's feats? 🙄
bullets bounce off his chest? great. they do the same for Bryan.
he can cause little earthquakes with a power up? great. Kazuya and Heihachi shake the ground with their stomps. Ogre shook the entire planet with a power up. Jin and Kaz practically levitated the ground just getting in the position of throwing a punch, shattered the entire glass off the building with the force of their blows that didn't even connect.

please, Evil Ryu is more overrated than Ryu..............and i didn't think that was possible 😐

~Sado