Originally posted by King Kandy
The point is Wanda has no feats to beat LT with. Even warping the omniverse, LT is also capable of.
So the best comparison and thing to go with is that during HOM, no matter how grandiose being (so no matter how powerful, no matter the role of that being), it didn't matter to Wanda. And it's not exaggerating, because we know what was Wanda doing, and she was doing it easily. She truly backed it up.
Originally posted by Xplosive
So the best comparison and thing to go with is that during HOM, no matter how grandiose being (so no matter how powerful, no matter the role of that being), it didn't matter to Wanda. And it's not exaggerating, because we know what was Wanda doing, and she was doing it easily. She truly backed it up.
LT didn't appear in HoM because Claremont was writing those UXM issues and he chose to go the Cap. Britain/Roma route. LT (and his role) always gets ignored/stepped over whenever those characters are around...the writers act like he doesn't even exist.
BTW, LT stomps this team.
Also, Xplosive needs to get his head checked if he thinks HoM Wanda can defeat LT. Either that or back it up with some REAL evidence. Man nothing changes with that guy.
Originally posted by Lord S
LT didn't appear in HoM because Claremont was writing those UXM issues and he chose to go the Cap. Britain/Roma route. LT (and his role) always gets ignored/stepped over whenever those characters are around...the writers act like he doesn't even exist.
They also forgot to put Phoenix Force against THOTI, while they put other beings such as Hulk, Thor... against it. Does that mean PF didn't interfere, because PF could stop it. No, I am pretty sure PF would be tossed and probably was tossed as everyone else by THOTI and was simply forgotten by writers.
During HoM LT was maybe tossed as everyone else and was useless.
Originally posted by Lord S
Also, Xplosive needs to get his head checked if he thinks HoM Wanda can defeat LT. Either that or back it up with some REAL evidence. Man nothing changes with that guy.
Why? You can't understand simple things. No, really? Give me evidence that LT can defeat HoM Wanda? And don't give me crap because in bio it's say he is 2nd to TOAA.
Only what we can compare is that during HoM (because if we go by feats, Wanda over LT) it was said no matter how grandiose being, it didn't matter to Wanda. LT is a being and no matter how grandiose (powerful, role), it didn't matter. Is it really so hard to understand that also LT belongs under beings and it was specifically said, no matter how grandiose.
There was some occasion that LT was surpassed. Protege was an early example of what man can become. Scarlet Witch may very well fit into that category and could be an early example. Is it really such a stretch? I don't think so. Is it really so hard to accept? It seems so.
HoM Wanda puts him out.
Originally posted by Lord S
Man nothing changes with that guy.
Lord S, you are not important person so that I would listen to you or anything. It's you who don't change and your pride. Because of that you can't see it isn't such a stretch that HoM Wanda could be above LT during HoM. No, it's not. You put something, while you don't have any evidence to give LT defeating HoM Wanda, because if we go by feat, no, nothing is suggesting LT could defeat Wanda. What we can compare, was what I said. No matter how grandiose, no match for Wanda (excluding TOAA, who has everything is His hand).
Originally posted by guy222
X is a good guy. If that's his opinion, agree to disagreeI respectfully disagree
You are good too.
We have opinions. I could be wrong or you could be wrong. But I can't say LT is above Wanda during HoM, because of the fact he is LT. If you prove me wrong, I will gladly accept it. I would have no trouble with that. The fact is that people put LT above Wanda immediately, is because of his role and because it's LT. That could also be said for other abstracts and their roles. But because we know Wanda did with them anything she wanted (effortlessly), and LT wasn't seen, that's why LT is still put above Wanda immediately without thinking clearly what was said. That is why it's said, no matter how grandiose, no matter how GRANDIOSE (so no matter what role and power), it was said. And LT fits in that category. Is it really so hard to see HoM Wanda could be above LT. She could be, but she also may very well not be. But LT shouldn't be put above HoM Wanda just because he is LT and the fact is that people are putting LT above her, is because he is the Living Tribunal.
He has never shown greater power than Wanda.
I have studied LT for years and we all know here and other sites I post I am his biggest fan
They only thing that bothers me is when threats to the Ommiverse LT is rarely there. Where is he, why won't he help. IMO, Marvel has goofed there
He's the only one capable of maintaining the Ommiverse. Those in the know, would give LT the victory because of his stance. 2nd to the TOAA. Greater than the IG(others differ and that's cool). Was goin to replace the Universe with the Ultimate One. Great feat halted
HOM Wanda is very powerful
Goin over her and LT's feats will only cause friction amongst those and for me that's silly. Due I give LT the win because I like the guy. Why not. Its 2:30 a.m. and I am being silly
I had a cool chat with a Marvel buddy and its strongly rumored that Hope is Jean Grey and with the Phoenix Force may retcon Wanda's warping. Lets see wat happens there
Originally posted by guy222
Hope is Jean Grey and with the Phoenix Force may retcon Wanda's warping. Lets see wat happens there
Maybe. There are many retcons. But if that happens, that could tell how powerful PF is (and depends how it retcons) and that GalacticStorm words wouldn't be seen silly among many people as they see it now.
And those retcons, generally, are also silly.
Originally posted by XplosiveThey also forgot to put Phoenix Force against THOTI,
while they put other beings such as Hulk, Thor... against it.
Does that mean PF didn't interfere, because PF could stop it.
No, I am pretty sure PF would be tossed
and probably was tossed as everyone else by THOTI
and was simply forgotten by writers.During HoM LT was maybe tossed as everyone else and was useless.
t was said no matter how grandiose being, it didn't matter to Wanda.
LT is a being and no matter how grandiose (powerful, role),
it didn't matter. I
s it really so hard to understand that also LT belongs under beings
and it was specifically said, no matter how grandiose.There was some occasion that LT was surpassed.
Protege was an early example of what man can become.
Scarlet Witch may very well fit into that category
and could be an early example.Is it really such a stretch?
I don't think so. Is it really so hard to accept? It seems so.
The writer did indeed add that ...
Wanda's power (the Chaos Wave) was beyond any comprehension" ....
and ... "no sentience, no matter how grandios or opinion of itself is safe"
On top of that,
the writer stated through Roma that Wanda's power would morph all creation (and it did)
possibly threaten even the "Ascension itself" (presumably where GOD resides)
I for one doesn't believe that HoM Wanda could take the Living Tribunal in a direct battle, If I understand the Chaos Wave correctly it was a progress that stretched itself outwards, it wasn't a effect produced across the Omniverse instantaneous, The Living Tribunal however was about to change the very structure of the Omniverse instantaneous when he was going to replace the 616 reality with the Ultimate universe warping the Abstracts into nothing more then mindless concepts. Also according to Roma had the Celestial Nullifier been active she believe that she could have stopped the Chaos Wave by nullified it's origin point.
Originally posted by UtrigitaI for one doesn't believe that HoM Wanda could take the Living Tribunal in a direct battle.
If I understand the Chaos Wave correctly it was a progress that stretched itself outwards,
it wasn't a effect produced across the Omniverse instantaneous
Actually you're right on one hand,
Wanda did pour her power outward basically unconsciously,
and her power did indeed morph all reality,
on panel with the exception of 616.
The big "But" there is,
Wanda consciously put the Omniverse back to normality with a thought,
she also was given the right to nullify the Mutant freakin gene from 90% ogf the race ... across all Timelines, effectively affecting the entire Marvel Universe,
where even other titles had to work their stories around the events of HOM due to Wanda's power,
heck entire runs where dedicated to the specifics of the aftermath of HOM.
Beyond that, the bottomline is,
the writer narrated that ...
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself"
(that's the scene where we can see Galactus' leg as he's just another victim.
And we know what that led to,
which was the Chaos Wave crashing all Universes into one in a single swoop on panel,
all Universes but 616,
which was individually warped by Wanda to be her mutant paradise.
Originally posted by UtrigitaThe Living Tribunal however was about to change the very structure of the Omniverse instantaneous when he was going to replace the 616 reality with the Ultimate universe warping the Abstracts into nothing more then mindless concepts.
Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
but even more incredibly she put it back together with a thought,
while simultaneously affecting all Timelines with a separate wish,
which was ... "no more mutants" (90%)
Originally posted by UtrigitaAlso according to Roma had the Celestial Nullifier been active she believe that she could have stopped the Chaos Wave by nullified it's origin point.
Marvel just gave her a ridiculous scope of influence.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
yet a mutant child was about to hand him his arse?? if that celestial was not there he would be toasted......I wonder why HOME WANDA and Thanos with the HOTU were not in the team....
Why does it always have to be Thanos with the HOTU?
You guys are making it seem like this is somehow apart of Thanos powerset.
Wolverine with the HOTU would be just as powerful.
In otherwords. ANYONE + HOTU would be super powerful.
Thanos doesn't make a difference here.
What am I missing?
Originally posted by SouthSpawn
Why does it always have to be Thanos with the HOTU?
You guys are making it seem like this is somehow apart of Thanos powerset.Wolverine with the HOTU would be just as powerful.
In otherwords. ANYONE + HOTU would be super powerful.Thanos doesn't make a difference here.
What am I missing?
Yes, if he could get that, but it was Thanos chosen to do that and he was the one with will.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wuts up Ut, been some time good friend.Actually you're right on one hand,
Wanda did pour her power outward basically unconsciously,
and her power did indeed morph all reality,
on panel with the exception of 616.The big "But" there is,
Wanda consciously put the Omniverse back to normality with a thought,
she also was given the right to nullify the Mutant freakin gene from 90% ogf the race ... across all Timelines, effectively affecting the entire Marvel Universe,
where even other titles had to work their stories around the events of HOM due to Wanda's power,
heck entire runs where dedicated to the specifics of the aftermath of HOM.Beyond that, the bottomline is,
the writer narrated that ...
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
[B]beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself"(that's the scene where we can see Galactus' leg as he's just another victim.
And we know what that led to,
which was the Chaos Wave crashing all Universes into one in a single swoop on panel,
all Universes but 616,
which was individually warped by Wanda to be her mutant paradise.The LT was going to, Wanda did.
Wanda tore the Omniverse to pieces,
but even more incredibly she put it back together with a thought,
while simultaneously affecting all Timelines with a separate wish,
which was ... "no more mutants" (90%)That might've been possible when she said that, which was right after the wave hit,
but by the end, Wanda consciously performed an Omniversal feat,
and if you go to the respect thread towards the end, and read up on Cloak's & Galan's finds,
and some contributions by myself,
you'l notice Wanda became a conscious Omniversal power at the end.Marvel just gave her a ridiculous scope of influence. [/B]
Yes it has been some time 🙂
Hmm if I understand you correct Wanda warped the Omniverse when her Chaos Wave had/was already affecting it? It wasn't first Chaos Wave then the Chaos Wave stops everything a big mess and then Wanda affects the omniverse.
Hmm I see a difference between what LT was about to do and what Wanda did. But that's probably just me 🙂
Also I was under the impression that based on this scan
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/chaoswave1.jpg
that is was while the Chaos Wave was in affect that they believed they could stop the Chaos Wave with the Celestial Nullifier.
