Originally posted by Juntai
True, he didn't fite Superman.
Ditto for Mandrakk having the feats to even be in the same ballpark as Thanos w/HOTU, who is up there with The Presence and Elaine Belloc and TOAA and PR Beyonder.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He can't beat The Presence or any other Supreme Being. Of which Thanos is here. Mandrakk loses.The end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Superman saved the day in that particular story. We have seen Superman have his ass handed to him in sc and be a complete nonfactor in that particular story. We have to take into account their powers/feats to determine this fight and take the stroy out of the vs threads.Sentry isn't a Superman clone Gladiator is. They even call him Kal for short nowadays.
I don't mean that superman,ww, and batman always save the day, but that dc in general really plays them up too often. I for one hope they all take a backseat to the lanterns again. That's what also made the sc a great story as none of them played a huge role in any of it. [/B]
oh christ.
"Story"
you're still not getting it. maybe you're doing it on purpose.
sentry is a superman clone. bendis said so.
superman is on new krypton. batman is (sort of) dead. wonder woman has her manazon thing coming up, and the DCU is going to be just fine.
Originally posted by EnyalusOh, no. Bada's gotten to you?
the truth hurts 😛
Okay. Thanos ate all existence in the Marvel omniverse. On panel. Mandrakk was going to, and was stopped.
Mandrakk had been eating it all along by way of his feasting on the bleed.
Not true. 😛 Aurakles is DC's embodiment of the original superhero. Allankles will back me up. 😄And that's per Grant Morrison, too.
not what i said. 🙁
Originally posted by Enyalus
But seriously, this is just like certain posters claiming Takion is high abstract level, when he has zero feats to suggest that.Ditto for Mandrakk having the feats to even be in the same ballpark as Thanos w/HOTU, who is up there with The Presence and Elaine Belloc and TOAA and PR Beyonder.
Yup. Its even more ridiculous.
It is all explained here
Originally posted by Naija boy
In regards to this mandrak eating of story thing, It simply should not be applicable in a vs forum match precisely because its in a neutral universe. This is because it has more to do with DCs metafictional approach to the construction of its stories than the retainment of a particular ability. It isnt viable because it directly clashes with the constraints of the more prevalent method of fictional writing which both Marvel,DC and most other companies regularly adopt and under which most KMC matches take place. For example, in Marvel the stories of its characters cant be eaten because the entire concept of "the story" itself being recognizable and distinct from the characters within it is non existent. Hence for Mandrakk to "eat their stories" we would have to assume that the Marvel characters "story" was a distinct entity that could be affected in the same way a character from DC's can. Consequently we would be disregarding the very nature in which the Marvel character was written and judging based solely on DC writing concepts.Now vice versa, by invalidating the strategy of "eating the story" we are going against the metafictional construction of Mandrakk by DC. However im sure most will agree that the KMC vs environment is purely fictional and non self reflective environment. Further since the metafictional writing style isnt commonplace across most platforms and companies, when it comes down to choosing the default nature of KMC vs matches, the more regular fictional writing style should be used.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Grant was talking about the concept of fiction itself, right? Or am I missing it?
i'm not going to get in to any fancy stuff, because, well, i'm just not able.
my understanding was that the DCU itself was some giant story (we know that, as we read em). Mandrakk's feeding on the bleed was the equivalent of feeding on story. Not any one person's story.
The way i see it, "Story" was Morrison's way of quantifying and categorising all of existence because he wanted to do something on such a large scale that likening it to our values and scientific knowledge would be pointless, as humans don't know nearly enough to categorise our own universe.
we don't know what our existence is composed of. morrison needed an existence threatening being, and to explain it, he came up with "story".
at least from what i saw...
Originally posted by Raoul
you do get that they don't mean stories literally, right?
Indeed. thats not the point. The main point is entwined within this post of urs
yes, i think.the way i see it, the dcu is composed of story, like a story is a physical thing, not just a concept.
the bleed is the glue that holds all these stories together.
by feeding on the bleed, mandrakk was eating and destroying "story"
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not going to get in to any fancy stuff, because, well, i'm just not able.my understanding was that the DCU itself was some giant story (we know that, as we read em). Mandrakk's feeding on the bleed was the equivalent of feeding on story. Not any one person's story.
The way i see it, "Story" was Morrison's way of quantifying and categorising all of existence because he wanted to do something on such a large scale that likening it to our values and scientific knowledge would be pointless, as humans don't know nearly enough to categorise our own universe.
we don't know what our existence is composed of. morrison needed an existence threatening being, and to explain it, he came up with "story".
at least from what i saw...
That's pretty close. It's hard to say exactly where story itself began in the DCU timeline.
As for the miracle machine. It had nothing to do with Darkseid. He was already most of the way gone. it was to create the happy ending. To create a story powerful enough to stop Mandrakk, the devourer of stories and end his threat on the multiverse.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As for the miracle machine. It had nothing to do with Darkseid. He was already most of the way gone.
But, I know you're at least partly right, because the machine was first mentioned in Supes Beyond...so, my bad on that, xJLx. Just remembered that tidbit.