Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Here you go again. Wolverine is never at 100%, its not Captain America this time so now you're making excuses for Wolverine getting his arse kicked by Sentry.Several issues ago Wolverine was incinerated to a skeleton, tussled with Janus and took Namors shots just fine.
Incinerated to a skeleton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting bled out.
Hell I dont even think the writer thought about it in that much detail, all we knows is that he almost got his head chopped off and was bleeding alot, dont mean he got bled out. Whats the point of this blasted HF if hes never at 100%.
What really took the piss was you were even [b]making excuses for him not being 100% during combat.
OMIGOD WOLVERINE GOT HIT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIGHT HES NOT 100 PERCENT!!
Losing it man. [/B]
OMG.... What part of this is hard for you to understand?
If Wolverine ust took a slug to the gut or something, I wouldn't have near a problem with what came next. But you Wolverine hating anti-fanboys come out of the woodwork with examples like the first few origins issues, or this Sentry example, or EOTS Wolverine getting clocked by Cap full well ignoring the context and when it gets pointed out, you don't like it and start to bith at us like WE did something wrong... LOL...
Wolverine wasn't put down by JUST Sentry's blows.
He wasn't incapacitated by JUST the two hits that Sentry put on him.
He got his head nearly cut off and the only thing that saved him was having an Adamantium Skeleton. He bled out a massive amount before Sentry even touched him and it's not up for debate..
No one can come in and say that's a fine example of Wolverine vs. Class 100 punishement since there's context that makes it irrelivent in the first place and it's outside his normal performance level in the second.
CONTEXT IS NOT AN EXCUSE..... You must need some sort of brain translplant to understand this concept because age certainly isn't helping any. 😐
Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg
An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg
Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
Faster than human eyes can follow.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/...toofast2tw4.jpg
Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/...anfollowpw5.jpg
Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...sentinalfl6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...entinal2sy1.jpg
He moves like lightning.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg
Lightning reflexes.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg
Nothing human could have moved that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg
Impossible. No one can move that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...v2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/...sidestepkq1.jpg
Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpg
Wolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg
Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg
Even Spider-man questions his speed in reguards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster. (The MK Wolverine - Spider-man mini also has sever instances of Spider-man saying Wolverine moved / reacted too fast form to even be sure what happened... but this post is getting too long as it is)
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg
Wolverine is faster than Namor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-15.jpg
The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/...n_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/...n_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/...n_X_TPB_060.jpg
Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpg
Wolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/...verine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/...verine41gz4.jpg
Replicates the feat against Doc Sampson.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/...msonrip2od2.jpg
Wolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/...osecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/46...seconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/...seconds2sy3.jpg
Wolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg
Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/...fcatchinlv7.jpg
In the spirit of your section of stupid last minute dodges:
With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-05.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-06.jpg
With a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg
Srankmissingnin: While I am waiting for the next batch of scans, I want to give you a headsup that a good portion of the links don't work. You may want to repaste the links.
Other than taking some "liberties" with your descriptions, you've done a decent job of providing: subjective character proclamations, objective superhuman speed feats, and objective and demonstrable superhuman speed feats. I wait with anticipation for speedster punking, superspeedster punking and measurable superspeed feats to match/surpass that of Thor's.
Originally posted by leonidasWhich is against the ONE impressive speed feat of Thor's entire career. Woopdido.
and so far, i have seen exactly ONE scan where logan sustains some form of "blurring" speed. and i have no idea of the context of that scan, or even if the person could actually see them.say he had thor's strength. could logan have dug that trench like that?
Originally posted by leonidas
2 things--first, why would WM change anything for you? he can still cut off limbs, do whatever you think logan and sabes could do to WM thor. secondly--where exactly did you get proof that WM=faster? he is stronger. but faster? never ever mentioned or displayed.?
It changes a great deal for me because he automatically becomes a more threatening opponent by multitudes.
It's as B-rage is for Logan.
Punisher is going to give Logan a workout in any fight, added B-rage to the mix and it's really no ccontest at that point.
Originally posted by leonidas
you keep mentioning that. is it in the respect thread or have you the scans?
Originally posted by leonidas
no.he showed wolvie hacking, and he showed the single scan you showed. for all the dissing of thor's speed, i've only seen a SINGLE scan that MIGHT match thor's feat. i've seen zero scans of sabes.
Originally posted by leonidastwo pages into the fight? No...
again, no he didn't. 😐 thor didn't even TRY and defend. he thought glads a friend.
Originally posted by leonidas
doesn't increase his speed or magic. just strength. and he's fought and matched ss just fine in the past. again, PIS? you think he can catch warlock's staff but he can't grab logan's wrist and hurl him away?
And no I don't think he can simply grab Logan by the wrist and hurl him at his leisure. Not for the majority and not while he has to worry about Sabretooth as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
what does regular basis have to do with anything? you know the rules in these matches as well as anyone. they use displayed powers to their utmost.
If that's the case, Wolverine dissappears in broad daylight, is good enough to beat Thor with bone claws, shruggs off being reduced to a skeleton, can do acrobatics nearly as fast as Speed Demon can run and his Adamantium can cut Thanos so durability isn't remotely an issue.
Sabretooth can stalk Thor in open territory and vanish from sight without effort.
Originally posted by leonidasExactly, you don't know, all you do know is that Thor as attributed the movement of his hammer to be influenced by magic. And it's not something to be discarded as much as you would like.
😑no idea what magic is in use. the hammer is indestructible, like the claws. regardless, lifting and spining vs flicking your wrist.
Speed and accuracy>Speed
Originally posted by leonidas
where did i say again that thor's are the only ones that matter? 😕we KNOW logan has fast reaction times. you keep saying thor is slow, he's a brick, but he is repeatedly fast enough to parry laser fire. do you call that slow?
And I don't recall saying Thor is slow. I'm saying he's nowhere near the lightspeed fighting you seem to think he is.
Infact I worte that Thor was quick in the very post you're replying to. 🤨
Thor is fast.. especially for a brick... but he's not faster than Wolverine or Sabes in melee combat... Not even close.
Originally posted by leonidas
sweet. he's like flash. everytime he gets tagged, or his wrists are caught it's PIS? you seem to be calling for us to ignore any of thor's speed feats, correct? saying they are too few to be allowed to matter. do we then ignore all the times logan has been hit by people much slower than he is too? (not cool having words put in your mouth, eh?)
I know you were trying to be clever using my own tactics against me, but it would have been helpful if you could have done it in a more logical fashion.
Had I even used the term PIS for instance.
Meh, like I said, he's going to be trying to hit his opponent instead of some crowbar and he'll have a teammate who can be more dangerous than himself so Thor isn't nearly has accomidated in this fight as Wrecker was.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Srankmissingnin: While I am waiting for the next batch of scans, I want to give you a headsup that a good portion of the links don't work. You may want to repaste the links.Other than taking some "liberties" with your descriptions, you've done a decent job of providing: subjective character proclamations, objective superhuman speed feats, and objective and demonstrable superhuman speed feats. I wait with anticipation for speedster punking, superspeedster punking and measurable superspeed feats to match/surpass that of Thor's.
I ****ing hate imageshack. 😠
I need to go out to work, but I think all the scans that don't work are on the first page of the respect thread, jinzin's links don't lend themselves to being copied for some reason.
Originally posted by leonidas
huh? i'm not saying he's>>>>>>>>>>>whatever over either one. i'm saying he is more than fast enough to counter their attacks and since it's an easy BFR if he catches one of them he can win this. he doesn't need a ko.
IMO when it comes down to it concerning h2h combat the team is likely quicker and have far more feats to help prove the position.... Probably not by much, but quicker... Is Thor fast enough to grab and toss em? Sure he may be. But is he fast enough to do this for the majority? Hell no.. To argue otherwise is absurd imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd almost agree, but using his powers to their fullest (not sure if he is allowed to summon lightning) i'd give him a slight majority.
Originally posted by leonidas
i've no idea what you're talking about here. hyperion. glads. ss. all REGULARLY use lightspeed levels of superspeed in battles and thor never has a problem with them in combat. he doesn't even necessarily need speed. he could bring the stadium down on all of them and simply crawl out and clean up.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂i'm sure there are people who could do that. regular humans can hit, catch and react to a 100mph fastball. so?
So? So a fastball is a larger target with a more definite line of travel from a given distance. It's something that can be compensated for by practice and anticipation.
But once again you can't just take joe blow who drives really fast and expect him to be hitting fastballs now can you?
Traveling speed isn't even remotely comparible to fighting speed.
Originally posted by leonidas
thor can move at >lightspeed. does that not imply that he can PERCEIVE things at that speed? process information at those speeds? we know he's fast enough to perceive and parry laser fire, not be overwhelmed by lightspeed-capable opponents.
Every street level and their mom can deal with lasers it's not anything to write home about. 😕
Originally posted by leonidasWhile traveling, not fighting... You do know there X-men travel faster than lightspeed for their Shiar adventures... are they too faster than Logan in his ability to precieve attacks in h2h? Scott doesn't seem to think so.
all that is simply to say he should be able to easily react to their attack. you keep saying wolverine is faster. their reactions are at least equal and thor's best speed feat is at least a match for logan's and he has travelled at 3x lightspeed which means his greatest evidence of perceptual acuity is FAR greater than logan's or sabes.
Originally posted by leonidasReally? We need to go down this road?
i could show dd hitting surfer too. if you're being attacked by a mosquito, do YOU jump out of the way? hell, herc used a TABLE to block wolverine's attempted "blitz". you keep saying thor seldom uses his superspeed. where are all the blurring blitzes from logan and sabes?
You're talking about the guy who made Spiderman think he was faster than himself..... You're really gonna ask how often he uses his speed?
Originally posted by leonidas
not til you prove he's faster in that form. good luck.
Originally posted by leonidasHe doesn't have better h2h speed feats which are all that matter. His durability is up for mass debate. as I said I don't think he can summon lightning here. and he's already lost h2h to Herc.
it's an equal version of herc, with better durability feats, the ability to summon lightning and FAR better speed feats and displays.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I ****ing hate imageshack. 😠I need to go out to work, but I think all the scans that don't work are on the first page of the respect thread, jinzin's links don't lend themselves to being copied for some reason.
Just quote his post and copy the links. This way you'll get the complete links, not the shortened (...) non-working ones.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg
An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg
Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
Faster than human eyes can follow.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg
Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg
Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpgHe moves like lightning.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg
Lightning reflexes.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg
Nothing human could have moved that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg
Impossible. No one can move that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpgWolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpgWolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg
Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg
Even Spider-man questions his speed in reguards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster. (The MK Wolverine - Spider-man mini also has sever instances of Spider-man saying Wolverine moved / reacted too fast form to even be sure what happened... but this post is getting too long as it is)
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg
Wolverine is faster than Namor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-15.jpg
The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpgWolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpgWolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpgReplicates the feat against Doc Sampson.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpgWolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpgWolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg
Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg
In the spirit of your section of stupid last minute dodges:
With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-05.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-06.jpgWith a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg
Fixed it for ya. All links perfectly work now.
Originally posted by jinzin...no one hates wolverine, we simply don't have a bias like you. entry example is perfect ofr how he would do against an opponent of thor's level of power. Sentry didn't even use his super speed and was toying with wolverine.
OMG.... What part of this is hard for you to understand?If Wolverine ust took a slug to the gut or something, I wouldn't have near a problem with what came next. But you Wolverine hating anti-fanboys come out of the woodwork with examples like the first few origins issues, or this Sentry example, or EOTS Wolverine getting clocked by Cap full well ignoring the context and when it gets pointed out, you don't like it and start to bith at us like WE did something wrong... LOL...
Wolverine wasn't put down by JUST Sentry's blows.
He wasn't incapacitated by JUST the two hits that Sentry put on him.
He got his head nearly cut off and the only thing that saved him was having an Adamantium Skeleton. He bled out a massive amount before Sentry even touched him and it's not up for debate..No one can come in and say that's a fine example of Wolverine vs. Class 100 punishement since there's context that makes it irrelivent in the first place and it's outside his normal performance level in the second.
CONTEXT IS NOT AN EXCUSE..... You must need some sort of brain translplant to understand this concept because age certainly isn't helping any. 😐
not only, thrrugh out that entire arc, not once did his healing factor hold him back in any fights nor was it stated in any of his narration...just as a question was that one panel you have of wolverines healing factor getting worse over time the only on-panel evidence of that? is it stated anywhere else?
Originally posted by Trackz
...no one hates wolverine, we simply don't have a bias like you. entry example is perfect ofr how he would do against an opponent of thor's level of power. Sentry didn't even use his super speed and was toying with wolverine.not only, thrrugh out that entire arc, not once did his healing factor hold him back in any fights nor was it stated in any of his narration...just as a question was that one panel you have of wolverines healing factor getting worse over time the only on-panel evidence of that? is it stated anywhere else?
Once again... you don't understand how Wolverine's healing factor works and you have no intention of finding out, you've decided how it works based on what you want and not what you've read or more likely aren't even aware of. The level of your ignorance is soo drastic that it overwhelms any semblance of credability you might otherwise have.
It was stated while fighting Namor that he wasn't doing so hot so you're wrong about your assumtion of the entire arc.
It's stated through his entire career. 🤨
After Nova blew his arm to nothing. After multiple times he's been run through the wringer.. If it ran on infinity like you seem to think it wouldn't get "taxed out"....
This is standard Wolverine knowledge and the fact that you don't know about it only serves to magnify the level of your ignorance about the character.
Originally posted by jinzindo yo uhave evidence of wolverine saying his healing factor gets taxed out
Once again... you don't understand how Wolverine's healing factor works and you have no intention of finding out, you've decided how it works based on what you want and not what you've read or more likely aren't even aware of. The level of your ignorance is soo drastic that it overwhelms any semblance of credability you might otherwise have.It was stated while fighting Namor that he wasn't doing so hot so you're wrong about your assumtion of the entire arc.
It's stated through his entire career. 🤨
After Nova blew his arm to nothing. After multiple times he's been run through the wringer.. If it ran on infinity like you seem to think it wouldn't get "taxed out"....
This is standard Wolverine knowledge and the fact that you don't know about it only serves to magnify the level of your ignorance about the character.
