Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you didn't notice, Srankmissingnin and I engaged in an inquiry of evidence, not bs.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Irony defined.
Accel: Try harder next time. When you don't refute a single scan I post... when you don't match any of Thor's feats with any of those that Wolverine or Sabretooth possess... when you try to divert the inquiry into tangents because you can't directly address the pertinent argument at hand, that's attenuated trolling. Try again nublet.
If you really want me to address your semantics, try respecting the fact that I gave you a very simple and direct task to address mine first. Try substantiating your claims rather than projecting your own weaknesses onto me.
Actaully, I'll just pick apart your posts now. I don't expect you to even begin addressing my points in any cogent manner.
Originally posted by AccelYes, by showing true feats of superspeed afterwards, which you haven't bothered scrutinizing because you know you can't.
No, just the ones where you basically try to pass off a laundry list of feats
“Here’s how Thor compares to some speedsters, but we all know speedsters job, so let’s move on…”
Yeah, you sure proved your point
Originally posted by AccelAnd yet, not a single scan posted. Benefit of the doubt is given to those with an arguable opinion. You've offered nothing but unsubstantiated derision
No need. I’m already well-versed with all three characters in question, and I know for a fact that Thor genuinely is going to have a hard time keeping up with either of these two, much less both of them at once.
Originally posted by AccelEach one of those characters has done the same to Wolverine. Wolverine getting punked by SPidey? Yup. Daredevil? Yup. Hulk? Yup. Namor? Yuh-huh. But Thor has demonstrated a speed capability past each one of them, while Wolverine has not.
I mean, really. Thor has a shitty track record regarding his speed. Spider-Man’s danced around him. So has Daredevil. Hercules has kept up with his speed just fine when fighting him. So has Hulk. So has Namor. And Thing. And a ****ton of others who really aren’t that fast. And Wolverine has generally shown to be able to keep up with Spidey far easier than Thor and has danced around Hulk far more easily than Thor ever has.
Originally posted by AccelExcept the actual fight you wish to post where Gladiator was dominating Thor with speed... Thor was actually holding back. On-panel. How ironic that you essentially proffered proof that is easily used to rebut your own ridiculous claims.
Now, I’m SURE you’ll just write every single one of those instances off that Thor was either holding back, or wasn’t in the mood, or had irritable bowel syndrome or some other such BS, but the cold hard fact is the speed Thor portrays when he brawls with Hulk and others is MUCH more consistent with the speed he shows in that micro-second feat you’re so proud of. And what’s even funnier is that you cite Thor keeping up with Gladiator when Glads has outright BLITZED Thor, simply kicking the hammer out of Thor’s hand.
Originally posted by AccelKeep up with the conversation. Srankmissingnin only discounted spinning Mjolnir and traveling speed. Hard to read English, I know. But do try to keep up. Reading comprehension ftw. I don't care about your evidentiary standards when you can't even post a single scan. And after all, how fast does a telepathic blast travel? Because really, we know telepathy itself is ftl in many many instances. J'onn communicating instantly with Superman around the globe. Xavier communicating with Lilandra across galaxies. Yeah. Keep up with comics. Or don't. I gave Srankmissingnin the benefit of the doubt that it was o9nly traveling at light speed since we know that telepathy can surpass that speed and normally does. You just make it easier to stomp on you.
For the most part, the feats you listed either weren’t THAT impressive or they were done with the hammer. Some were even blown out of proportion. I mean, seriously, a [b]nano-second feat? Really? Are you really so desperate for Thor speed feats that “instantaneously” automatically translates to “faster than light” to you? [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Try harder next time. When you don't refute a single scan I post...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
when you don't match any of Thor's feats with any of those that Wolverine or Sabretooth possess...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
when you try to divert the inquiry into tangents because you can't directly address the pertinent argument at hand, that's attenuated trolling. Try again nublet.
You just chose to ignore it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you really want me to address your semantics, try respecting the fact that I gave you a very simple and direct task to address mine first.
It's quiet. Too quiet. You've been trolling after me minute after minute, post after post. Is it too much to hope that you are actually addressing the inquiry I posed to you several posts ago and collecting scans:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Or are you just struggling to conjure up another trollish attempt to mask your absence of substantive argumentation with that of pretentious swagger?
Here's an exercise for you: 1) Show me a set of scans whereupon Wolvie and Sabretooth are being exhorted for their speed subjectively by characters. 2) Then show me a set of scans whereupon Wolvie and Sabretooth move in blurs or faster than the eye can follow. 3) Then show me a set of scans where Wolvie and Sabretooth utilize split-second reflexes to combat situations. 4) Then show me me sets of scans where Wolvie and Sabretooth punk multiple speedsters and superspeedsters. 5) Then show me scans where Wolvie and Sabretooth demonstrate measurable microsecond and nanosecond combat superspeed and reflexes (not just aim dodging/deflecting).
Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
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Meh.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Actaully, I'll just pick apart your posts now. I don't expect you to even begin addressing my points in any cogent manner.Yes, by showing true feats of superspeed afterwards, which you haven't bothered scrutinizing because you know you can't.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Each one of those characters has done the same to Wolverine. Wolverine getting punked by SPidey? Yup. Daredevil? Yup. Hulk? Yup. Namor? Yuh-huh. But Thor has demonstrated a speed capability past each one of them, while Wolverine has not.
Look at it like this. When Thor and Hulk brawl, Thor has no speed advantage whatsoever. None. This is pretty much how it is in every single one of their fights. Now look at Hulk vs Wolverine. Sure Wolverine takes his licks from time to time, but for every hit he takes, he ultimately manages to avoid Hulk’s punches to slash him several times. Hell in their first fight, Wolverine was dancing all around Hulk, slashing him all over without being touched. Put Thor in that exact same scenario without his hammer and he’d be dead.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except the actual fight you wish to post where Gladiator was dominating Thor with speed... Thor was actually holding back. On-panel. How ironic that you essentially proffered proof that is easily used to rebut your own ridiculous claims.
Thor- the same Thor who had already knocked Glads back yelling, “Have at THEE!” with his hammer- who was already swinging his hammer around when Glads sped at him, decides to all of a sudden hold back, which, for some reason, includes his supposed “instantaneous” reflexes, and let Gladiator knock him off-balance.
I mean, really.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And after all, how fast does a telepathic blast travel? Because really, we know telepathy itself is ftl in many many instances. J'onn communicating instantly with Superman around the globe. Xavier communicating with Lilandra across galaxies. Yeah. Keep up with comics. Or don't. I gave Srankmissingnin the benefit of the doubt that it was o9nly traveling at light speed since we know that telepathy can surpass that speed and normally does. You just make it easier to stomp on you.
Accel: Keep up the trainwreck of your argument.
Originally posted by AccelNot comparable. Just another feat, where Thor was able to contain a speedster through action. You have one comparable for Wolvie or Sabretooth? Let alone four or five? Yeah. No scans again. Thought so. Thor was flying past the window at the time. After the poison dart was shot, Thor was able to get there in time to intercept the dart, not with a spinning mallet, but with the head of the mallet itself.
What, you mean like such gems as Thor digging a trench with Quicksilver to somehow prove the two are comparable? Or Thor using his hammer to fly really fast to stop that poison dart?
Originally posted by AccelNo. Wolvie's been more embarassed by the characters you cited than Thor has. INDISPUTABLE. Post the scans where Thor's been "embarassed" by those characters. Then I'll post the scans where Wolvie's been "embarassed" by those characters. I guarantee you there's no comparison when it comes to humiliation. Since you started this inquiry, support it first with scans and I'll rebut it. I'll rebut it righteously. As far as you've demonstrated, you've got nothing so far for me to rebut. And that's the running theme in this joke of a debate.
The exact same? You’re getting your facts mixed up. Again. Not to mention missing the point. Again
Originally posted by AccelExcept Thor's a better fighter than Hulk and has more demonstrable combat speed and reflexes. Slight difference, slick. And Hulk has one-shotted Wolverine several times.
Look at it like this. When Thor and Hulk brawl, Thor has no speed advantage whatsoever. None. This is pretty much how it is in every single one of their fights. Now look at Hulk vs Wolverine. Sure Wolverine takes his licks from time to time, but for every hit he takes, he ultimately manages to avoid Hulk’s punches to slash him several times. Hell in their first fight, Wolverine was dancing all around Hulk, slashing him all over without being touched. Put Thor in that exact same scenario without his hammer and he’d be dead.
Originally posted by AccelThor didn't let him. He just didn't want to fight him and was holding back the entire time. Try reading the entire comic before spewing your misleading crap. Or at the very least, read my statements and then assess whether or not they hold weight and do some research. Thor clearly states, "Gladiator! I have considered thee a comrade-in-arms! But as thou hast repeatedly endangered mortal lives, taking these to the very brink of death -- I can do so no more!"
I sincerely hope you realize how ridiculous that sounds when you say it aloud.Thor- the same Thor who had already knocked Glads back yelling, “Have at THEE!” with his hammer- who was already swinging his hammer around when Glads sped at him, decides to all of a sudden hold back, which, for some reason, includes his supposed “instantaneous” reflexes, and let Gladiator knock him off-balance.
I mean, really.
"Surely, thou art brainwashed by a cunning foe! 'Tis the only possible explanation for thy bizzare statements! Thus I cannot hold back any longer!" And what do we end up with, Glads literally eating pavement:
Originally posted by AccelBecause telepathic bolts of energy are instantaneous like telepathy is. Because the scan says it's instantaneous. Because telepathy traditionally travels far faster than the speed of light. Because you have no proof, nor any example that telepathy doesn't travel FTL.
I asked first. What says a bolt of energy, even telepathic energy travels at the same speed as, well, regular tp? Especially when Phoenix had ample time to shout a sentence when she blasted Thor?
Thor 10/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Accel: Keep up the trainwreck of your argument.Not comparable. Just another feat, where Thor was able to contain a speedster through action. You have one comparable for Wolvie or Sabretooth? Let alone four or five? Yeah. No scans again. Thought so.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor was flying past the window at the time. After the poison dart was shot, Thor was able to get there in time to intercept the dart, not with a spinning mallet, but with the head of the mallet itself.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolvie's been more embarassed by the characters you cited than Thor has. INDISPUTABLE. Post the scans where Thor's been "embarassed" by those characters. Then I'll post the scans where Wolvie's been "embarassed" by those characters. I guarantee you there's no comparison when it comes to humiliation. Since you started this inquiry, support it first with scans and I'll rebut it. I'll rebut it righteously. As far as you've demonstrated, you've got nothing so far for me to rebut. And that's the running theme in this joke of a debate.
And I’ve said bricks who aren’t generally known for being speedsters have had no problem keeping up with Thor on an extremely consistent basis. This includes Hulk, Namor, and Hercules. Wolverine’s kept with each of them just well, if not better, indicating that Thor’s so-called “speed advanatange” would be nonexistent in a brawl.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except Thor's a better fighter than Hulk and has more demonstrable combat speed and reflexes. Slight difference, slick.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor didn't let him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He just didn't want to fight him and was holding back the entire time. Try reading the entire comic before spewing your misleading crap. Or at the very least, read my statements and then assess whether or not they hold weight and do some research. Thor clearly states, "Gladiator! I have considered thee a comrade-in-arms! But as thou hast repeatedly endangered mortal lives, taking these to the very brink of death -- I can do so no more!"
*snip*
"Surely, thou art brainwashed by a cunning foe! 'Tis the only possible explanation for thy bizzare statements! Thus I cannot hold back any longer!" And what do we end up with, Glads literally eating pavement:
*snip*
The answer? Gladiator was too fast for him. It wasn’t a matter of Thor not wanting to fight back. It was a matter of him being unable to respond to Gladiator’s speed and protect himself in time.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because telepathic bolts of energy are instantaneous like telepathy is. Because the scan says it's instantaneous. Because telepathy traditionally travels far faster than the speed of light. Because you have no proof, nor any example that telepathy doesn't travel FTL.Thor 10/10.
And since YOU made the claim that it’s actually lightspeed, the burden of proof is on you , especially since we see Phoenix yell a whole sentence while the blast is heading towards Thor.
Originally posted by AccelQuicksilver didn't do a thing, except speed around as is obvious from the scan where you see him running while he's crazy as the rest of the crowd was from Ares' tamperings and attacking Thor. Considering he trapped them all, including Quicksilver, it's a feat of containing a speedster. Something which he's done several times, even to superspeedsters. You hear that whizzing sound? That's not Quicksilver, no. That's the point flying past your head.
Except Quicksilver didn’t do any thing, so it’s of little relevance. I mean, yeah, we see Thor running around, but there’s nothing to indicate he used any sort of superspeed there.Yeah, it’s a flying feat. For the mallet. Y’know, the same hammer that can fly at 3X the speed of light? Yeah that one. I would have been more impressed if Thor ran to it and caught, but so it’s basically just another good showing for the hammer. Which he doesn’t have here. Good job.
Except Thor has to throw his hammer in a certain direction to fly. Which means that after the dart had been fired, he had to redirect Mjolnir with his arm in the direction of Jane Foster and the dart. Which requires him moving his arm, within a split-second, and with such accuracy as to redirect his flight directly into the path of the dart after it had been fired. That recurring whizing sound you hear? Yeah, another point you missed.
Originally posted by AccelAnd Thor punked DD easily in a fight where he literally states he doesn't wish to do him any harm. Do you read what they say or only look at the pretty pictures? And wicked poor attempt at backtracking. After bringing up each of those characters you relied on to make an initial faulty point; Spidey, Daredevil, Hulk and Namor... you realized that throwing that standard back into your face would highlight the fact that they've punked Wolverine straight up with their agility. And they did it far worse than they ever tried against Thor. Kudos for bringing up a point that comparatively speaking, neither Wolverine nor Sabretooth outclass Thor in combat speed or reflexes. Because we can simply look at their experiences with common foes.
Where the hell are you getting “embarrassed” from? I’ve said guys like Daredevil have managed to dance around Thor, completely avoiding his attacks. Meanwhile, Wolverine has kept up with DD just fine.
Originally posted by AccelHulk's one-shotted Wolverine several times. Thor never was. Namor's punked Wolverine as well, whereas Namor's been punked by Thor in the space of panels while in the driving rain. Wolverine's been tagged by these "bricks" in far more embarrassing and dominating instances than Thor. And lowballing Thor (without even offering scans, no less), when he doesn't even need speed or agility to match those bricks, whereas without speed and agility, Wolverine would be paste is outright ignorance. Superman gets tagged by bricks all the time. So does Wonderwoman. We focus on their capabilities and proven abilities, not on semantics. And that is exactly the topic srankmissingnin and I were discussing before you entered with your pointless trolling.
And I’ve said bricks who aren’t generally known for being speedsters have had no problem keeping up with Thor on an extremely consistent basis. This includes Hulk, Namor, and Hercules. Wolverine’s kept with each of them just well, if not better, indicating that Thor’s so-called “speed advanatange” would be nonexistent in a brawl.
Originally posted by AccelExcept that Thor always matches Hulk blow for blow and strength against strength. Had you read any Thor, you'd know this is how Thor fights Hulk. And Thor has demonstrated superior speed and superspeed against other characters. I posted no less than a dozen scans just the page prior. Short-term memory loss ftl? HMMMM.
Strange how none of that seems to come into play when he brawls with Hulk. Or most any one else for that matter. HMMMM.
Originally posted by AccelWhat's stopping him? Maybe because he's giving Gladiator the benefit of the doubt and oh... maybe he's busy protecting the girl that Gladiator endangered when Gladiator first toppled him with speed? Had you read the entire fight instead of attempting to mislead people with your reductionist nonsense, you'd have noticed the innocent bystander which Thor has to protect TWICE. The very next panels show Gladiator taking advantage of the situation with his speed. It's called context, and you clearly don't understand it:
No shit, genius. That’s kind of the point. If some one flies into you so fast that you can’t protect yourself in time, you clearly don’t have much say in the matter.And, again, your assessment is laughable at best. Let’s say Thor really was holding back. Let’s say he really was that concerned about civilians that he couldn’t let loose. Then what the hell’s stopping him from at least guarding against Gladiator’s attack? He doesn’t have to fight back to shield himself from Kallark tackling into him. And he could have at least kept a tighter grip on his hammer so it wouldn’t be knocked out of his hands.
The answer? Gladiator was too fast for him. It wasn’t a matter of Thor not wanting to fight back. It was a matter of him being unable to respond to Gladiator’s speed and protect himself in time.
Originally posted by AccelWhat are you talking about? Other telepaths have fired telepathic bolts. Here's a scan I had handy in preparation for another debate where Professor X shoots a telepathic bolt at Exodus:
You’re pretty lacking in proof that telepathic bolts= telepathy. If that’s the case, then why can’t most telepaths in fiction also fire bolts of the same kind of energy? Simple, they’re not the same.
Have you never read any X-Men or Justice League? Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Selene, J'onn J'onnz... they all have used telepathic bolts. And how fast does telepathy travel? I've already proven it. You're arguing in a vacuum against on-panel proof. You've nothing to show me to assert that a telepathic blast moves slower than telepathy. It's instant. Like the scan says. Your criticism is like suggesting a beam of red light moves slower than light speed. It's telepathy, McFly. Hello? McFly? Show me a scan where a telepathic bolt moves slower than telepathy and maybe you'd have a basis for argumentation.
Originally posted by Accel
And since YOU made the claim that it’s actually lightspeed, the burden of proof is on you , especially since we see Phoenix yell a whole sentence while the blast is heading towards Thor.
Oh yes. Using a character's speech, that could very well occur BEFORE an attack is initiated is a proper measure for which to scrutinize a feat. Rather than, oh... the narrative description that describes it as instantaneous which accompanies the god damned scan and the very nature of the blast which is telepathic. [/sorry I had more sarcasm left]
And once again, in a characteristic post of utter phail, you still continue to dodge even proving that Wolverine or Sabretooth have comparable feats. So while I continue to stomp on your fallacious criticisms and off-point arguments, you haven't even addressed my initial challenge. Good show. Keep it up.
^ Do I get a wrestling scholarship? 😕
Anyway... when I went to recrop the previous scan where I show Gladiator taking advantage of Thor's protecting the girl because the panels where you see Gladiator speeding in on him were cut off... I noticed that Thor takes two swings to deflect the flying debris. Another feat of superspeed reflexes as the debris was thrown as one big mass:
Originally posted by psycho gundam
there is an instance of logan moving his arm faster than the eye can see. he cut one of storm's cape thingys in half while she was flying all over the place trying to show off in the danger room.i don't have the comic, but i remember it was from the issue where cyclops owns the x-men. (iirc)
Faster than the HUMAN eye can see...
You realize that Thor navigates at lightspeed?
