Darth Caedus & Mace Windu run gantlet

Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's not Shatterpoint, it's the basic damn force techniques of examining one's opponent.

If what you're suggesting was necessarily the case (which it isn't, you're reaching a false conclusion from the text as usual, as all that is said and can be proven was that he was using the force to test for weaknesses, not that he was necessarily examining his opponent), all that would mean was that Bane was using a more advanced technique that not only allows him to see weaknesses (which we know he can definitely do, as that's exactly what he was doing), but examine something in its entirety. Even going by your interpretation, my statement still stands; he was carrying out the technique of examining a subject's weakness, only it comes as an extension of a more advanced technique. Going by my interpretation, my statement still stands; he was carrying out the technique of examining a subject's weakness.

Either way, I win, and you continue to look like an angry buffoon.

Shatterpoint isn't 'feeling for weaknesses,' it's intuitively feeling exactly what to do or where to strike to bring the whole thing crashing down.

it's intuitively feeling exactly what to do or where to strike to bring the whole thing crashing down.

All you're doing here is describing exactly what "feeling for weaknesses" actually is, only in a more extended manner with different wording. "Exactly what [it is] to do" or "exactly where [it is] to strike" would both qualify as weaknesses if they "bring the whole thing crashing down".

It's intuitively seeing the flaws

The words "flaw" and "weakness" are entirely synonymous. Again, all you're doing is stating the same thing I was, using different vocabulary. At least this time you were somewhat concise, but there's still no excuse for such blatant foolery.

Oh, and Bane's not a Jedi

Nobody made such a claim. The point was to inform others that may have been under the impression that the technique was something largely obscure (which people have been in the past, believing the technique was exclusive to Mace Windu), that it clearly wasn't. I feel obligated to inform people of the not-so-well-known facts. I'm considerate like that.

Definitely must be Nebaris. Only that moron could lie to himself and look hilarious doing it.

Lightsnake informs me that he is on his way. 😄

He will be with us shortly.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Definitely must be Nebaris. Only that moron could lie to himself and look hilarious doing it.

May I ask where I am lying to myself? Specifically.

Hmm isn't Darth Sexy a yellow lightbulb member? Yet only 5 minutes after his post, no yellow lightbulb... Hmmm... How strange. Hmm indead. I am forced to come to the conclusion that Darth Sexy has intentionally logged off or turned on the invisible setting so as to give the impression that he is not in a position to see my reply to relieve him of the insurmountable task of actually explaining his mad ramblings.

Never, EVER insult his mad ramblings. He's too handsome to say anything otherwise.

Wait...

Originally posted by MUMS'XER
If what you're suggesting was necessarily the case (which it isn't, you're reaching a false conclusion from the text as usual, as all that is said and can be proven was that he was using the force to test for weaknesses, not that he was necessarily examining his opponent), all that would mean was that Bane was using a more advanced technique that not only allows him to see weaknesses (which we know he can definitely do, as that's exactly what he was doing), but examine something in its entirety. Even going by your interpretation, my statement still stands; he was carrying out the technique of examining a subject's weakness, only it comes as an extension of a more advanced technique. Going by my interpretation, my statement still stands; he was carrying out the technique of examining a subject's weakness.

you mean he was doing basic force techniques? Like in the book 'Lightsabers' in the Young Jedi Knights series where the sparring trainees use the Force to search out weaknesses in their opponents?
Know what a difference is, Nebby? Shatterpoint doesn't have to use the force to seek it out. They can generally see it as a glance. Like Jacen, Mace or Cade. .
OMG, he was using a technique of seeking out weaknesses! This is REALLY Shatterpoint despite not having the same method or effect!

Either way, I win, and you continue to look like an angry buffoon.

[b]it's intuitively feeling exactly what to do or where to strike to bring the whole thing crashing down.

All you're doing here is describing exactly what "feeling for weaknesses" actually is, only in a more extended manner with different wording. "Exactly what [it is] to do" or "exactly where [it is] to strike" would both qualify as weaknesses if they "bring the whole thing crashing down".

The words "flaw" and "weakness" are entirely synonymous. Again, all you're doing is stating the same thing I was, using different vocabulary. At least this time you were somewhat concise, but there's still no excuse for such blatant foolery.

Nobody made such a claim. The point was to inform others that may have been under the impression that the technique was something largely obscure (which people have been in the past, believing the technique was exclusive to Mace Windu), that it clearly wasn't. I feel obligated to inform people of the not-so-well-known facts. I'm considerate like that. [/B]

Nobody ever claimed it was exclusive to Mace. As far as we know, the only people to use it have had Jedi training, or trained under those who knew it.

Originally posted by MUMS'XER
Hmm isn't Darth Sexy a yellow lightbulb member? Yet only 5 minutes after his post, no yellow lightbulb... Hmmm... How strange. Hmm indead. I am forced to come to the conclusion that Darth Sexy has intentionally logged off or turned on the invisible setting so as to give the impression that he is not in a position to see my reply to relieve him of the insurmountable task of actually explaining his mad ramblings.

Yawn. After 30+ bans and embarrassing yourself with virtually ever post, I would have thought you were smart enough to take the hint. Apparently not.

Shatterpoint, as defined by the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, P-Z, page 144:

A term used to describe the locations at which even the hardest material could break into pieces. Most commonly associated with Corusca gems, shatterpoints were notoriously difficult to locate, and the judgment of how much force to exert on a shatterpoint was an art only a few beings ever learned. Too little resulted in a degradation of the crystalline matrix, which caused the entire gem to fall apart later. Too much, and the entire gem shattered instantly. A precisely gauged blow resulted in the shearing of the gem along a certain plane, resulting in a beautiful facet.

Meanwhile, the Revenge of the Sith novelization (page 146) gives us the following passage on the shatterpoint charism:

[...]Mace Windu reached into the Force. To Mace's Force perception, the world crystallized around them, becoming a gem of reality shot through with flaws and fault lines of possibility. This was Mace's particular gift: to see how people and situations fit together in the Force, to find the shear planes that can cause them to break in useful ways, and to intuit what sort of strike would best make the cut. Though he could not consistently determine the significance of the structures he perceived -- the darkening cloud upon the Force that had risen with the rebirth of the Sith made that harder and harder with each passing day -- the presence of shatterpoints was always clear.

Originally posted by MUMS'XER
Actually he uses the technique against Sirak in PoD.

PoD, page 169:

"With the surge and swell of each exchange Bane gently prodded with the Force, testing and searching for a weakness he could exploit."

This does not come close to describing the shatterpoint charism as we know it. It's a complete generalization; Bane using Force perception to seek out an enemy's weakness does not constitute the same ability as used by Mace Windu or Darth Caedus; to compare these two passages and these two abilities is like comparing the amulet blasts of Exar Kun to the Force lightning of Darth Sidious. Generalized, they are nearly identical: both are blasts of energy emitted from hands capable of killing enemies; in reality, they are both completely different techniques.

There's nothing conclusive to suggest that they are the same. And even if one were to contend that they are, the logical conclusion is that Bane is not remotely as advanced compared to Mace Windu.

damn, bad typo. jst ignore it

BTW, what was Nebaris's/Noobaris's/whatever you call him/her's original username? How did he originally get banned? And what fan is he? Sometimes he's a Revan fanboy, then Bane, then Caedus etc etc...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
BTW, what was Nebaris's/Noobaris's/whatever you call him/her's original username? How did he originally get banned? And what fan is he? Sometimes he's a Revan fanboy, then Bane, then Caedus etc etc...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It was GM Nebaris. He specialized in Bane lovin'.

It's a her for the record....

Edit - Gideon, Sexy, Lightsnake, and Gaevus, I will get to your points in due course.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It was GM Nebaris. He specialized in Bane lovin'.

Don't forget Darth Sion....

But ... Sion is immortal right ? Only the Exile or Traya could,can and will ever be able to beat him.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
But ... Sion is immortal right ? Only the Exile or Traya could,can and will ever be able to beat him.

Surely he can just withstand a hell of a lot of pain...because of his scars

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Surely he can just withstand a hell of a lot of pain...because of his scars

1)The centre of a star.
2) A black hole.
3) DE Sidious's Force Storm.
4) Coleman Trebor 1 on 1.

It's likely his body would get destroyed and he'd live on in spirit form given how we know his ability extends beyond the physical plane.

Edit: I've never really been a fan of Sion and Nihilus' characters, I just acknowledge them as both being absurdly and uniquely powerful. And I don't recall being a fan of Bane back in those days.