Darkseid vs. Thor (Stipulations) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Easy to say considering the ALE is not a simple artifact, and has had to be partly theorized as well as having to be found in bits and pieces in the minds of humans. Not to mention he hasn't been searching for the ALE nearly as often as people assume.

New Gods v2, v3 and JKW don't have a single story about DS searching for the ALE. In fact majority of his appearances have nothing to do with the ALE.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Allankles
Easy to say considering the ALE is not a simple artifact, and has had to be partly theorized as well as having to be found in bits and pieces in the minds of humans.

Excuses, excuses.

Originally posted by Allankles
New Gods v2, v3 and JKW don't have a single story about DS searching for the ALE. In fact majority of his appearances have nothing to do with the ALE.

Regardless, he's always looking for it, even when it isn't explicitly mentioned. Isn't that one of Desaad's main jobs?

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Enyalus
Regardless, he's always looking for it, even when it isn't explicitly mentioned. Isn't that one of Desaad's main jobs? [/B]

Desaad is his torturer, scientist and majodomo. He spends most of his time with his own projects.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
...Darkseid's been attempting to gather the full ALE since his introduction. 30+ years of failure.

Plus rule the universe or shit even conquer earth all of which he's failed.. while thanos has achieved his goal of universal domination and being by death's side :-)

cloud102 Senior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
Easy to say considering the ALE is not a simple artifact, and has had to be partly theorized as well as having to be found in bits and pieces in the minds of humans. Not to mention he hasn't been searching for the ALE nearly as often as people assume.
New Gods v2, v3 and JKW don't have a single story about DS searching for the ALE. In fact majority of his appearances have nothing to do with the ALE.

Agreed. ALE is only a portion of Darksied's stories. Plus, I doubt Thanos could do any better.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Plus rule the universe or shit even conquer earth all of which he's failed.. while thanos has achieved his goal of universal domination and being by death's side :-)

Achieved and lost due to his own insecurities and subconscious unworthiness. A far more agriegious failing.

And being by Death's side? You call that a goal? That's just stupid. Hell, the IG itself was just to impress Death. That's not a credible reason to root for him as a villain.

DS is actually a compelling and interesting villain. Thanos is just a wanna-be written by a wanker named Starlin.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, he's got worse enemies than Thanos ever had to deal with.
And frankly? He succeeded in the face of greater opposition. Yes, he failed in the end, OF TRYING TO REPLACE GOD and crushing the multiverse in the process, and yet he brought down New Genesis and Earth. He caused untold suffering and destruction. It took several plot devices to bring him down.
Plus villains ALWAYS FAIL.

Didn't Thanos succeed at replacing God...

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

He was claimed to be god, he did not replace TOAA. The actual God. Which is what Darkseid tried, and failed at in FC.

LT's mere existence shows that Thanos is not god. As does HOTU and various other powerful beings.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He was claimed to be god, he did not replace TOAA. The actual God. Which is what Darkseid tried, and failed at in FC.
LT's mere existence shows that Thanos is not god. As does HOTU and various other powerful beings.

I was referring to the HOTU and LT was one of the many he took down with it...

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Once again, nope. He got God's power, supposedly, not the authority. He had unlimited power, but not the ability to control it. And we both know the actual TOAA set him up for the entire adventure. Thus, he did not replace God there either.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Once again, nope. He got God's power, supposedly, not the authority. He had unlimited power, but not the ability to control it. And we both know the actual TOAA set him up for the entire adventure. Thus, he did not replace God there either.

If God was absent(which he was according to the story) and Thanos had his power, then he DID replace TOAA. Now the whole ordeal may have been a plot by TOAA, but there's no evidence to support him actually HELPING Thanos at any point so the feat is still his(Thanos's). As for his having TOAA's "authority", he was able to ignore LT's command to surrender the power and then get rid of him with ease... you can't get much more Authority than that.

But we're off topic, my point was just that Thanos DID become the Supreme Being so you can't really act as if DS only fails where Thanos succeeds because he aims higher. Thanos got what DS wanted it just that he couldn't keep it because(as you yourself said)...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, he's got worse enemies than Thanos ever had to deal with.
And frankly? He succeeded in the face of greater opposition. Yes, he failed in the end, OF TRYING TO REPLACE GOD and crushing the multiverse in the process, and yet he brought down New Genesis and Earth. He caused untold suffering and destruction. It took several plot devices to bring him down.
Plus villains ALWAYS FAIL.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
DS is actually a compelling and interesting villain. Thanos is just a wanna-be written by a wanker named Starlin.

Thanos as a villain sucked for the most part. His role as a hero/anti-hero is what makes him interesting, IMO.

Darkseid a compelling villain? Please. Darkseid is as cliche as it gets when it comes to evil. He's like...Emperor Palpatine, or Skeletor. All of them are evil and nothing but evil, and everything they do reflects that. That's not compelling to me. I wish they'd show more of his conscience like he must have had as Uxas. Make him more than just evil. And I realize that he's the God of Evil, so that's perfectly fine for his character. I'm just saying...I don't really care for the archetypes. And Darkseid falls into that category perfectly.

For instance, there's a Marvel Christmas story where Thanos is cleaning out his old stuff and finds a damaged doll that used to belong to Gamora when she was a little girl. It flashes back to him giving it to her as a present and it being damaged when she threw it at an assassin who was attempting to kill Thanos. He considers sending it to the Infinity Watch for her, is conflicted, and ends up throwing it away. That's compelling to me. It shows he's more than a monster. DS seems like he's nothing but. That's not interesting. He needs a more 'human' side for me to like him.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Allankles
Don't even start that Quanesque propaganda, Thanos isn't fit to wear DS' jockstrap. 😉
Thanos has never succeeded in anything that required above 5th grade machinations. When every great achievement you've had is down to acquiring one multiversal plot device after another, you're not so hot.
Please! Give me a story where Thanos great victories weren't down to the laziest writing in comics?
Meanwhile, DS has a track record stretching millenia as the ruler of a stable universe-spanning empire. It's much harder taking over a planet full of multiverse heroes, than it is snatching up a few gems, artifacts and wells of power.
Don't confuse cheap, with great.

😂 👆 Agreed, Thanos main reason for those items is to please someone hes in 'love' with but hardly knows or even talks too, losing to himself then hero's as well isn't quite impressive either..

Mindset Senior Member

He didn't get HOTU for Death, the last thing he did for Death was IG iirc.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by kevdude
losing to himself then hero's as well isn't quite impressive either..

Losing because you subconsciously want to is a helluva lot better than getting defeated by the heroes you're supposed to beat.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Enyalus
Losing because you subconsciously want to is a helluva lot better than getting defeated by the heroes you're supposed to beat.

Your comparing losing because he has low self-esteem to someone who brought down the Multiverse with his mere presence and lost mainly because he was near death anyway... 😕

Mindset Senior Member

. . .

Let's just get back on topic.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos as a villain sucked for the most part. His role as a hero/anti-hero is what makes him interesting, IMO.
Darkseid a compelling villain? Please. Darkseid is as cliche as it gets when it comes to evil. He's like...Emperor Palpatine, or Skeletor. All of them are evil and nothing but evil, and everything they do reflects that. That's not compelling to me. I wish they'd show more of his conscience like he must have had as Uxas. Make him more than just evil. And I realize that he's the God of Evil, so that's perfectly fine for his character. I'm just saying...I don't really care for the archetypes. And Darkseid falls into that category perfectly.
For instance, there's a Marvel Christmas story where Thanos is cleaning out his old stuff and finds a damaged doll that used to belong to Gamora when she was a little girl. It flashes back to him giving it to her as a present and it being damaged when she threw it at an assassin who was attempting to kill Thanos. He considers sending it to the Infinity Watch for her, is conflicted, and ends up throwing it away. That's compelling to me. It shows he's more than a monster. DS seems like he's nothing but. That's not interesting. He needs a more 'human' side for me to like him.

If you know DS' history you know that he abandoned being 'human' ages ago, probably after the assassination of Suli. Although you probably need to read JKW, some of the other origin stories of the Apokoliptons to understand his psyche.

He's actually proud of his children when they show intelligence and initiative, and in the case of Orion, he actually admires his warrior's ethic.

He's just completely heartless at his core, for anything that doesn't coincide with his will. For example he approves of the assassination of one of his best elite soldiers (Canis Minori) because he's more a virtuoso and a thinker, than a soldier.

By the way, Thanos isn't an anti-hero. Metron is an anti-hero, Thanos is a villain (although one who's lost his edge).

Charmander Dead

I didn't read the OP, but Thor is cooler than Darkseid.

Thor pretty decisively.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Allankles
If you know DS' history you know that he abandoned being 'human' ages ago, probably after the assassination of Suli. Although you probably need to read JKW, some of the other origin stories of the Apokoliptons to understand his psyche.

I know the reason for him being evil. I said its okay considering what his character is supposed to be. Just saying that it isn't my cup of tea where 'compelling' comes into play.

What's JKW stand for? lol

Originally posted by Allankles
By the way, Thanos isn't an anti-hero. Metron is an anti-hero, Thanos is a villain (although one who's lost his edge).

I really don't know where you get that he's still a villain. He's saved the universe more times than he's attempted to conquer it. And in Annihilation he was really only helping Annihilus for amusement. Kind of apathetic in that arc. Not evil.