Darkseid vs. Thor (Stipulations)

Tricksterpriest: In other words, there is absolutely no reason Darkseid would have let Batman shoot him with a Radion bullet and therefore, Batman was quicker on the draw.

Originally posted by Allankles
Don't even start that Quanesque propaganda, Thanos isn't fit to wear DS' jockstrap.

just except it people: batman > darkseid.

batman is so much more higher on the food chain than him, he need only kill him with a weapon he had no prior experience wielding his entire career to do it.

he saved the bat-kick.

Kang has spawned an empire controlling not only a universe but several of them in different timelines. So that makes him more of a success than Thanos?

DS, No Thor can ever match his power.

DS in a shit stomp.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos as a villain sucked for the most part. His role as a hero/anti-hero is what makes him interesting, IMO.

Darkseid a compelling villain? Please. Darkseid is as cliche as it gets when it comes to evil. He's like...Emperor Palpatine, or Skeletor. All of them are evil and nothing but evil, and everything they do reflects that. That's not compelling to me. I wish they'd show more of his conscience like he must have had as Uxas. Make him more than just evil. And I realize that he's the God of Evil, so that's perfectly fine for his character. I'm just saying...I don't really care for the archetypes. And Darkseid falls into that category perfectly.

For instance, there's a Marvel Christmas story where Thanos is cleaning out his old stuff and finds a damaged doll that used to belong to Gamora when she was a little girl. It flashes back to him giving it to her as a present and it being damaged when she threw it at an assassin who was attempting to kill Thanos. He considers sending it to the Infinity Watch for her, is conflicted, and ends up throwing it away. That's compelling to me. It shows he's more than a monster. DS seems like he's nothing but. That's not interesting. He needs a more 'human' side for me to like him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos as a villain sucked for the most part. His role as a hero/anti-hero is what makes him interesting, IMO.

Darkseid a compelling villain? Please. Darkseid is as cliche as it gets when it comes to evil. He's like...Emperor Palpatine, or Skeletor. All of them are evil and nothing but evil, and everything they do reflects that. That's not compelling to me. I wish they'd show more of his conscience like he must have had as Uxas. Make him more than just evil. And I realize that he's the God of Evil, so that's perfectly fine for his character. I'm just saying...I don't really care for the archetypes. And Darkseid falls into that category perfectly.

For instance, there's a Marvel Christmas story where Thanos is cleaning out his old stuff and finds a damaged doll that used to belong to Gamora when she was a little girl. It flashes back to him giving it to her as a present and it being damaged when she threw it at an assassin who was attempting to kill Thanos. He considers sending it to the Infinity Watch for her, is conflicted, and ends up throwing it away. That's compelling to me. It shows he's more than a monster. DS seems like he's nothing but. That's not interesting. He needs a more 'human' side for me to like him.

he want's him to have character.

how many times can a person buy a comic soley for the big explosions and pretty pictures?

Originally posted by Bentley
Kang has spawned an empire controlling not only a universe but several of them in different timelines. So that makes him more of a success than Thanos?

So yeah, Kang's badass.

Originally posted by The Nuul
DS, No Thor can ever match his power.

DS in a shit stomp.

What're you smoking? KT and RKT both walk over DS like he's an ant.

Darkseid's early stories from Kirby or even byrne were really, really good. Even Morrison's tales and Simonson was pretty damn good. Thanos for me was only compelling during the 90's. One of my fav villains.

Originally posted by Enyalus

What're you smoking? KT and RKT both walk over DS like he's an ant.

YES!! I got one. I was begining to think I fail at trolling.

Originally posted by The Nuul
YES!! I got one. I was begining to think I fail at trolling.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Tricksterpriest: In other words, there is absolutely no reason Darkseid would have let Batman shoot him with a Radion bullet and therefore, Batman was quicker on the draw.
Next time read what I write, ffs. I said Darkseid doesn't purposefully fail at life like Thanos does. Christ. Darkseid does not suffer from the same predilection for losing ultimate power because he knows he's not worthy of it. Therefore, there's no reason to draw parallels between his and Thanos' traits to suggest he "let" Batman shoot him like how Thanos "let" Captain Marvel smash the Cosmic Cube or "let" Nebula nab the Infinity Gauntlet. Batman simply beat him on the draw.
facepalm

I can honestly say, this is the first time I felt fully deserving of a face palm. 🙁

Originally posted by Enyalus

I know the reason for him being evil. I said its okay considering what his character is supposed to be. Just saying that it isn't my cup of tea where 'compelling' comes into play.

What's JKW stand for? lol

I really don't know where you get that he's still a villain. He's saved the universe more times than he's attempted to conquer it. And in Annihilation he was really only helping Annihilus for amusement. Kind of apathetic in that arc. Not evil. [/B]

Compelling is subjective. I mean you found a Thanos flashback about dolls compelling, someone else would have found it cheezy (i don't know which it is, as I only have your word to go by).

DS was often compelling imo in JKW and he's been written well by Morrison and Kirby (especially in Hunger Dogs where I thought he was excellent as a tragic character).

Thanos gets it too easy for me to be compelling, his apathetic role in Annhilation is a symptom of this imo.

As far as his roles as a hero how many times as he tried to play savior (DS has at least played hero in 4 major stories doesn't make him heroic in any way).

The Hunger, Annhilation Wave, IA where he was just dealing with his own rogue clones (not really heroic), what other instances?

Originally posted by Allankles
The Hunger, Annhilation Wave, IA where he was just dealing with his own rogue clones (not really heroic), what other instances?

Again, what's JKW stand for? I might have read it if I knew what the acronym was. 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
IW, IC, and Blood and Thunder amongst others.

Again, what's JKW stand for? I might have read it if I knew what the acronym was. 😛

jkw; Jack Kirby's Fourth World written by Bryne (mostyly) and several other writers.

Yeah, you read JK4W and you know most of the writers just don't get the New Gods. AT ALL.

Originally posted by Allankles
jkw; Jack Kirby's Fourth World written by Bryne (mostyly) and several other writers.

Originally posted by cloud102
Yeah, you read JK4W and you know most of the writers just don't get the New Gods. AT ALL.

True. I'd have to say Kirby, Bryne and Simonson are essential reading if you want to appreciate the New Gods. And for the latest stuff Morrison is definitely the number one guy.

There are a few lesser known writers that did some good work like McCarthy in Simonson's Orion run.

Orion was 😘

Mainly cause of the art. Again. Should have had someone else drawing besides Simsonson.

I mean, you have Darkseid hiding in a barn! 😆 If that's not comedy, I don't know what is.