Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Wut.No seriously, I do not understand what you are trying to convey, or how this would make LK untouchable to an opponent.
1. The spirit world is a seperate existance, linked to the physical world
2. When Lich King enters the spirit world, his physical body vanish
3. Since he has no physical body, no physical enemy can fight him
4. Since the spirit world is linked to the planet, a planet destroyer can win, because if the spirit world is destroyed, so is he
I think this is a match between LK/Arthas fusion and Kratos, not the spirit that is the lich king, so by the typical rules, all Kratos has to do to win is to destroy Arthas' body and he wins.
And what is your theory for the spirit world being destroyed just because the physical planet is? their like two diffrent dimensions, just because a building or a city is destroyed in the real one, does not mean all the spirits and beings in the spirit world are being crushed by its rubble.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I think this is a match between LK/Arthas fusion and Kratos, not the spirit that is the lich king, so by the typical rules, all Kratos has to do to win is to destroy Arthas' body and he wins.And what is your theory for the spirit world being destroyed just because the physical planet is? their like two diffrent dimensions, just because a building or a city is destroyed in the real one, does not mean all the spirits and beings in the spirit world are being crushed by its rubble.
The spirit of Ner'Zhul and body of Arthas are no longer seperate entities. As of fusion, Arthas can become a spirit and Ner'Zhul can become solid. When Arthas becomes a spirit, he leaves the physical world and appear in the spiritual. At this point, there is no physical body of Arthas. He's part of the spirit world then. He is "dead"
(Don't confuse being part of the spirit world with being a spirit in the physical world)
They are two linked dimensions. Even if Arthas take no actual damage being hit by this planet buster when he's in the spirit world, the spirit world itself does. If portions of the planet is only destroyed, he still will live on. If the whole planet is destroyed however, then there will be no spirit world left, since the spirit world has no "host". The link is severed and by all logic, the spiritual realm dissolved.
And even should Arthas survive by being in the spirit world, he's defeated. He can't do anything when he floats around in space.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The spirit of Ner'Zhul and body of Arthas are no longer seperate entities. As of fusion, Arthas can become a spirit and Ner'Zhul can become solid. When Arthas becomes a spirit, he leaves the physical world and appear in the spiritual. At this point, there is no physical body of Arthas. He's part of the spirit world then. He is "dead"(Don't confuse being part of the spirit world with being a spirit in the physical world)
They are two linked dimensions. Even if Arthas take no actual damage being hit by this planet buster when he's in the spirit world, the spirit world itself does. If portions of the planet is only destroyed, he still will live on. If the whole planet is destroyed however, then there will be no spirit world left, since the spirit world has no "host". The link is severed and by all logic, the spiritual realm dissolved.
And even should Arthas survive by being in the spirit world, he's defeated. He can't do anything when he floats around in space.
Although technically ime not wrong, Kratos sitll has ot just destroy the body LK uses, they may be melded but the LK has to sustain this host because as shown in the frozen throne his spiritual essence cannot survive in its raw form, it needs a host or some form of containment, and I doubt LK can fight back while Kratos is in the physical realm, has LK destroyed physical enemies while actually in the spirit realm?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Although technically ime not wrong, Kratos sitll has ot just destroy the body LK uses, they may be melded but the LK has to sustain this host because as shown in the frozen throne his spiritual essence cannot survive in its raw form, it needs a host or some form of containment, and I doubt LK can fight back while Kratos is in the physical realm, has LK destroyed physical enemies while actually in the spirit realm?
Have you read any Spider-Man comics by any chance? There's this villain named Spot there. He best Spider-Man by appearing at random places, strikes him and vanishes again. Big as Kratos is, Lich King can appear behind him, slash once and vanish back into the spirit realm. The same way Spot vanishes into his dimension after each hit. (Only Spot leaves an open door. Lich King doesn't) I guess another example would be Nightcrawler, although he does not stay in his dimension and ends up more exposed than the Lich King would.
From one perspective, you are correct. All Kratos has to do is destroy the body. What makes him lose, is that he can't. Not for as long as the Lich King is allowed the spiritrealm. For every slash the Lich King make, Kratos grows weaker. All the Lich King has to do is wait for the right time, strike and then vanish again. The Lich King has eternal life, so he's got the time. He could do one slash every hundreth year if that's the only openings. He would win in the end. Eventually, Frostmourne holds more of Kratos soul than Kratos does.
As was stated before, Kratos has destroyed souls(although this was apparently ignored), and with Army of Hades, Kratos could attack LK in his physical or spirit form, in the real or spirit world. And something was mentioned about LK teleporting thousands of miles. I remember in GOW 1, Ares, from the other side of the world, threw a column with enough speed and accuracy that it travled around the world, and pierced Kratos in moments. It also seemed he could control it's size, since when he picked it up, it was his size, but when it hit Kratos, it pierced trhough his abdomen. Kratos got all of the powers of Ares, if Ares did it, Kratos can do it. LK loses. And has Frostmourne been shown to directly take the soul of or harm any real gods of the WoW universe?
Originally posted by KingD19
As was stated before, Kratos has destroyed souls(although this was apparently ignored), and with Army of Hades, Kratos could attack LK in his physical or spirit form, in the real or spirit world. And something was mentioned about LK teleporting thousands of miles. I remember in GOW 1, Ares, from the other side of the world, threw a column with enough speed and accuracy that it travled around the world, and pierced Kratos in moments. It also seemed he could control it's size, since when he picked it up, it was his size, but when it hit Kratos, it pierced trhough his abdomen. Kratos got all of the powers of Ares, if Ares did it, Kratos can do it. LK loses. And has Frostmourne been shown to directly take the soul of or harm any real gods of the WoW universe?
I've not ignored it. So Kratos has destroyed spirits that he could not see? What did he do? Swipe blindly and hoped that there just happened to be a spirit at that precise location in the spiritworld? I've not cared to respond, because I've been confident that you've been talking about spiritual entities that roam the physical realm. Was I wrong?
Originally posted by Slaanesh
u actually think LK can beat Kratos??how do u know that Frostmourne can even harm Kratos??LK never shows anything near to what Kratos did..
You haven't read what I've said in this thread, have you? 😛
You think too narrowly. The Lich King doesn't have to be strong enough to actually harm Kratos. He doesn't have to have shown anything near the level of power that Kratos has. When Frostmourne strike an advesary, it attacks him spiritually. No amount of physical defense can shield your spirit. Only spiritual defense can do that.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You haven't read what I've said in this thread, have you? 😛You think too narrowly. The Lich King doesn't have to be strong enough to actually harm Kratos. He doesn't have to have shown anything near the level of power that Kratos has. When Frostmourne strike an advesary, it attacks him spiritually. No amount of physical defense can shield your spirit. Only spiritual defense can do that.
he's a god..u can't get anymore spiritual than that..again..how is LK going to harm him??
Your question aim to apprehend the vanity of the state of being a God, or as mighty an entity as Kratos is. His level of power is irrelevant until it is within his list of feats to have proven his spirit is shielded in one manner or the other.
The real question here is not who Lich King has defeated. It's who Kratos has adequately protected himself from. Who has wanted Kratos soul but been unable to drain it?
You want to do that, because that's what you believe to be right. You are under the impression that Kratos state of being divine and the magnitude of his power actually aid him against attacks such as this one. Only a previous defensive action can prove him capable of resisting.
He can't beat Kil'Jaeden, Sargeras or the Titans. The case is not the same. Here's why:
Kil'Jaeden can see into a seperate realm. Entering the spiritworld does not make you any safer. Sargeras too. Sargeras has attacked an entity in one dimension while he himself was in a seperate. A regular Titan the Lich King could handily defeat. The Pantheon he could not. The fact that any of these beings are powerful is irrelevant. It's not Sargeras raw power that would win the fight. It's that Lich King can't take advantage of the spiritworld.
He's safe because Kratos can't see him. It's not a spirit form. It's not a ghost or an ethereal state. He's not even visible. He's in a seperate existance. A different realm. It's as if he doesn't exist to one that can't see into the spiritworld.
Spirit of Kil'Jaeden, yes. Sargeras has proven resistant but there are no feats revolving the resistance of the rest of the Pantheon. It doesn't matter though. The Pantheon can destroy a world utterly which brings us back to my previous mentioning. A destroyer of worlds can defeat the Lich King.