Originally posted by KingD19
Lich King stats -
Health - 27,890,000 (maximum)
Mana - 8,516,000 (maximum)He also carries Frostmourne, gets exponentially more powerful as time passes, and is thought of as a god by several clans and races. He also backs this up with his power and abilities.
Kain get's his pasty ass handed to him. Anyone who says different is....well is Burning Thought.
While the stats are irrelevant, they are also inaccurate, so wouldn't count anyway. His health differ for every encounter you have with him, and there are weaker beings with more health.
The fact that he's considered a God is also irrelevant (Although not inaccurate in Azerothian definition)
Frostmourne only increase his power for every soul he claims, so as time passes is only partially correct. "As souls passes" would be more propriate.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
That's a fallacious argument.I know vampires who could solo the Scourge.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I know a man from Gallifrey who could solo the Warcraft-universe. 😛
There are countless characters that could solo the Warcraft-universe. (Not quite so many that can inflict permanent damage though, although irrelevant)
LK greatest power is the ability to create armies of undead and his vast mind power that allow him to control them..can he use that here??what is his other ability??how powerful is his magic??Arthas as a death knight doesn't seem much..Ner'zhul didn't show us anything..all he did is create an army of undead..now that they are one..all i see is Ner'zhul with Arthas body and skill..what makes him so powerful??cuz to me..what makes him powerful is his vast and unlimited armies..but he himself..i don't know..it's just that i don't think he's that insanely powerful..
Originally posted by Slaanesh
LK greatest power is the ability to create armies of undead and his vast mind power that allow him to control them..can he use that here??what is his other ability??how powerful is his magic??Arthas as a death knight doesn't seem much..Ner'zhul didn't show us anything..all he did is create an army of undead..now that they are one..all i see is Ner'zhul with Arthas body and skill..what makes him so powerful??cuz to me..what makes him powerful is his vast and unlimited armies..but he himself..i don't know..it's just that i don't think he's that insanely powerful..
The Lich King is the fusion entity of Arthas and Ner'Zhul.
Ner'Zhul during his late stages of life proved to be a highly talented magician and master of warfare. He was capable of opening a portal to another world, which resulted in the destruction of his own. That's irrelevant however, but indirectly, he's a planet destroyer 😛
You are apperantly talking about Arthas strictly as he's seen in Warcraft 3, which is your first of many misstakes. World of Warcraft confirm to us that Arthas as a Death Knight was possibly as powerful as Teron Gorefiend. Teron Gorefiend when he returned to Draenor killed dozen of men instantly with a single gesture, the flick of a finger. An ability Arthas was proven to have if you pay attention during a particular quest in Icecrown in World of Warcraft. A quest that shows you the memories of Arthas.
Arthas stalemated Illidan in one encounter in a simple battle sword-to-sword, which prove his competence as a swordsman, although that too irrelevant to the thread.
I'll just jump straight to the Lich King, who I'll call Arthas from now on. Arthas during your first encounter with him in Northrend imprisoned you in a sphere I believe called "Grasp of the Lich King", in which you were completely immobile. It was stated that for as long as you was in this sphere, Arthas could decide if you live or die.
He is refrained as the God of Death for the reason that life and death is no limitation to him. It's implied in Ghostlands that Arthas can not die even if his physical body is utterly destroyed, that he's able to regenerate from ashes. This is a feat that Dar'Khan, a servant of the Lich King proved to have as a result of Arthas blessing.
Arthas can enter and exit the spiritworld in a whim and is while in the spiritworld untouchable by Kain, although contruary does not apply, meaning that Kain is not untouchable to the Lich King.
I'm not even going to begin including all the Lich and Death Knight abilities that Arthas has at this state, for they are way too many. I'm also not going to start going on about the basic magical abilities of Warcraft and all the common knowledge of liches, magicians, death knights and Arthas as a fused entity. It's simply not worth my time.
What I can say is that Kain will lose what few advantages he might have. Are you familiar to the A.M.A.Z.O android from DC Comics? Arthas steals the powers of his opponent when he strike them, applying them as his own. That is if he decide to torment his victim rather than stealing his soul on initial touch of Frostmourne.
Don't misstaken that post for anything. I have no interest in debating Kain Vs. The Lich King, contruary to possible appearance. I also have no intentions of debating the containts of that post.
If you think it's because I can't do it, you are free to do so. I really don't care if you do. Define it as a concede if it makes you feel any better or more certain of your own belief.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
After a few deep breaths, I decided to take in consideration the fact that you are not very familiar with the lore of Warcraft.The Lich King is the fusion entity of Arthas and Ner'Zhul.
Ner'Zhul during his late stages of life proved to be a highly talented magician and master of warfare. He was capable of opening a portal to another world, which resulted in the destruction of his own. That's irrelevant however, but indirectly, he's a planet destroyer 😛
You are apperantly talking about Arthas strictly as he's seen in Warcraft 3, which is your first of many misstakes. World of Warcraft confirm to us that Arthas as a Death Knight was possibly as powerful as Teron Gorefiend. Teron Gorefiend when he returned to Draenor killed dozen of men instantly with a single gesture, the flick of a finger. An ability Arthas was proven to have if you pay attention during a particular quest in Icecrown in World of Warcraft. A quest that shows you the memories of Arthas.
Arthas stalemated Illidan in one encounter in a simple battle sword-to-sword, which prove his competence as a swordsman, although that too irrelevant to the thread.
I'll just jump straight to the Lich King, who I'll call Arthas from now on. Arthas during your first encounter with him in Northrend imprisoned you in a sphere I believe called "Grasp of the Lich King", in which you were completely immobile. It was stated that for as long as you was in this sphere, Arthas could decide if you live or die.
He is refrained as the God of Death for the reason that life and death is no limitation to him. It's implied in Ghostlands that Arthas can not die even if his physical body is utterly destroyed, that he's able to regenerate from ashes. This is a feat that Dar'Khan, a servant of the Lich King proved to have as a result of Arthas blessing.
Arthas can enter and exit the spiritworld in a whim and is while in the spiritworld untouchable by Kain, although contruary does not apply, meaning that Kain is not untouchable to the Lich King.
I'm not even going to begin including all the Lich and Death Knight abilities that Arthas has at this state, for they are way too many. I'm also not going to start going on about the basic magical abilities of Warcraft and all the common knowledge of liches, magicians, death knights and Arthas as a fused entity. It's simply not worth my time.
What I can say is that Kain will lose what few advantages he might have. Are you familiar to the A.M.A.Z.O android from DC Comics? Arthas steals the powers of his opponent when he strike them, applying them as his own. That is if he decide to torment his victim rather than stealing his soul on initial touch of Frostmourne.
Kain is far quicker than the lich king for one so he will not strike him at all, and secondly, Kain cannot touch the Lich King in the spirit world? what a ridicolous statement when Kain has a soul devouring sword in his hand, one strike and LK is gone, wheras can you be so sure one strike will harm Kain even if he just stands there and takes it? technically Kains soul should be gone and he can survive without organs so LK wil have to do some major destruction to even defeat Kain, wheras Kain would only have to make a gesture and the LK's soul is tossed out or devoured.
Where does it say he steals the powers of those he strikes? and Kain steals the powers of those he drinks the blood from.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
After a few deep breaths, I decided to take in consideration the fact that you are not very familiar with the lore of Warcraft.The Lich King is the fusion entity of Arthas and Ner'Zhul.
Ner'Zhul during his late stages of life proved to be a highly talented magician and master of warfare. He was capable of opening a portal to another world, which resulted in the destruction of his own. That's irrelevant however, but indirectly, he's a planet destroyer 😛
You are apperantly talking about Arthas strictly as he's seen in Warcraft 3, which is your first of many misstakes. World of Warcraft confirm to us that Arthas as a Death Knight was possibly as powerful as Teron Gorefiend. Teron Gorefiend when he returned to Draenor killed dozen of men instantly with a single gesture, the flick of a finger. An ability Arthas was proven to have if you pay attention during a particular quest in Icecrown in World of Warcraft. A quest that shows you the memories of Arthas.
Arthas stalemated Illidan in one encounter in a simple battle sword-to-sword, which prove his competence as a swordsman, although that too irrelevant to the thread.
I'll just jump straight to the Lich King, who I'll call Arthas from now on. Arthas during your first encounter with him in Northrend imprisoned you in a sphere I believe called "Grasp of the Lich King", in which you were completely immobile. It was stated that for as long as you was in this sphere, Arthas could decide if you live or die.
He is refrained as the God of Death for the reason that life and death is no limitation to him. It's implied in Ghostlands that Arthas can not die even if his physical body is utterly destroyed, that he's able to regenerate from ashes. This is a feat that Dar'Khan, a servant of the Lich King proved to have as a result of Arthas blessing.
Arthas can enter and exit the spiritworld in a whim and is while in the spiritworld untouchable by Kain, although contruary does not apply, meaning that Kain is not untouchable to the Lich King.
I'm not even going to begin including all the Lich and Death Knight abilities that Arthas has at this state, for they are way too many. I'm also not going to start going on about the basic magical abilities of Warcraft and all the common knowledge of liches, magicians, death knights and Arthas as a fused entity. It's simply not worth my time.
What I can say is that Kain will lose what few advantages he might have. Are you familiar to the A.M.A.Z.O android from DC Comics? Arthas steals the powers of his opponent when he strike them, applying them as his own. That is if he decide to torment his victim rather than stealing his soul on initial touch of Frostmourne.
Ner'Zhul open those portal using some powerful artifacts if i'm not mistaken..not his own power..
who did he kill with a flick of a finger??
Arthas is a good swordsman..that is true..
so..u r saying "Grasp of the Lich King" can kill whoever he wants??doesn't that mean he can oneshot everyone 😐 what is the possibility that it can be counter by a powerful being??
i know LK can't die..even Kel'Thuzad can survive in spirit form when he got kill..but what if the one he's fighting can manipulate soul??
LK is just a combination of a very powerful lich and death knight..there's no magicians or Arthas ability in that fuse power..Arthas ability is a death knight ability..
so..if Frostmourne touch the enemy..it can copy the enemy ability or just steal his soul for the easy win..is that what u r saying??i didn't see he did any of that to Illidan..maybe he can only do that to a regular enemy..not a powerful one..
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Teron Gorefiend: An Orc base.
Arthas Menethil: An Alliance company.Kain is not very powerful in Azeroth definition.
so..it kills a bunch of loser..what so great about that..
well..i don't know about that..to me he seems powerful..don't get me wrong..i'm not saying Kain would win..i'm just stating the possibility of it being a good match..
but if LK can summon his endless armies of undead..then it's a stomp..
Originally posted by Slaanesh
so..it kills a bunch of loser..what so great about that..well..i don't know about that..to me he seems powerful..don't get me wrong..i'm not saying Kain would win..i'm just stating the possibility of it being a good match..
but if LK can summon his endless armies of undead..then it's a stomp..
The fact that he kill them is pretty great, I'd say.
Powerful, perhaps. Powerful in Nosgoth definiton of the word. None of his powers is anything special on Azeroth. Lesser magicians can do anything he can. A novice Death Knight can drain all the blood out of a victim. A novice Lich can steal the soul of a victim. A novice Druid can shoot lightning. A novice Arcane magician can use telekinesis.
What few spells Kain has that's above novice level on Azeroth gives him no advantage at all. Slowing time and summoning a repelling shield is not at all impressive and far from adequate for him to win.
Do note that this is not a debate invite. I'm merely explaining.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The fact that he kill them is pretty great, I'd say.Powerful, perhaps. Powerful in Nosgoth definiton of the word. None of his powers is anything special on Azeroth. Lesser magicians can do anything he can. A novice Death Knight can drain all the blood out of a victim. A novice Lich can steal the soul of a victim. A novice Druid can shoot lightning. A novice Arcane magician can use telekinesis.
What few spells Kain has that's above novice level on Azeroth gives him no advantage at all. Slowing time and summoning a repelling shield is not at all impressive and far from adequate for him to win.
Do note that this is not a debate invite. I'm merely explaining.
hem..maybe..
but Kain can do all that rite..and perhaps to a greater extant..that means he can use any form of magic..that should make him a very powerful being..he's not a novice i think..
yeah i know..i'm just giving out my thought..
Originally posted by Slaanesh
hem..maybe..but Kain can do all that rite..and perhaps to a greater extant..that means he can use any form of magic..that should make him a very powerful being..he's not a novice i think..
yeah i know..i'm just giving out my thought..
Pretty definately.
He's not a novice by Azeroth definition, but he's not powerful. His TK is weaker than the novice magician, his blood shower is as strong and his lightning is at most as strong as that of a druid.
Powerful: Medivh is powerful. Krasus is powerful. Illidan is powerful. Deathwing is powerful. Lich King is powerful. Sargeras is powerful.
Kain is above average. He's an undead guy with a few spells. Children magician apprentices knows more spells than he does. The only impressive spell he has is the one where he steals a soul. Unfortunately for him, he's battle the ruler of souls here. Arthas already as a death knight had superior control over souls. Now he rule the kingdom of souls.
So Q'Anilia is the defintion of a trolling fangirl, simply state a baseless opinion without idea of the opponent and will not even debate it...
you may as well have just gone
"lmao LK winz!"
And LK rules some spirits, that does not make him the master of souls, Kain has probably done greater things than LK, hell most of Kains sons could single handadly wipe out large portions of the scourge, hell Raziel could.
A wave of his hand and the LK is doomed, simple fact, he has no defence against such an assault, like a lot of the Warcraft characters you hold in high regard.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Kain has at least one ability that a novice magician doesn't - good durability and the apparent ability to survive against all odds. Getting his heart ripped out and sent only hell knows where? No problem, he just keeps coming back for more.
I don't define durability as an ability. Him having his heart ripped out and survived it does not put him anywhere above any Azeroth undead. When he survive having his head removed we can start talking Kain > Azeroth Undead.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Pretty definately.He's not a novice by Azeroth definition, but he's not powerful. His TK is weaker than the novice magician, his blood shower is as strong and his lightning is at most as strong as that of a druid.
Powerful: Medivh is powerful. Krasus is powerful. Illidan is powerful. Deathwing is powerful. Lich King is powerful. Sargeras is powerful.Kain is above average. He's an undead guy with a few spells. Children magician apprentices knows more spells than he does. The only impressive spell he has is the one where he steals a soul. Unfortunately for him, he's battle the ruler of souls here. Arthas already as a death knight had superior control over souls. Now he rule the kingdom of souls.
how do u know that his magic is not on Medivh or Krasus level??