The Leader vs The Joker

The Leader decides that Gotham City is where he wants too be and Joker isn't willing to share " his " city. one has to go. who wins?

My guesstimate is Joker ftw cuz he's less predictable and more ruthless. He's also operating on home turf.

yeah but does the leader HAVE a home turf? I would think he'd be used to it.

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
yeah but does the leader HAVE a home turf? I would think he'd be used to it.

Does Leader have his resources/prep?
Does Joker know he is coming to take over Gotham?
Won't batman just own both of them? lol

Leader easily wins this.

Joker fight Batman
Leader have to deal against a lot more childish but thousands of time more powerful opponent.

I say the Leader win

Considering the Leader is a tactical thinker Joker would have the advantage being extremely unpredictable then again the Leader is insanely smart

Originally posted by iceman24567
Joker would have the advantage being extremely unpredictable

That is blown out of proportion.

leader...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That is blown out of proportion.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah

Yeah for starters if you question the Jokers sanity it pisses him off. Hes also usally a city wide threat.

So what's your point again?

Originally posted by iceman24567
So what's your point again?

The point is hes not that unpredictable.

Yes he is

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes he is

Well ok got any examples?

Why would you need examples if you already agreed he is unpredictable? We dissagree on how unpredictable he is which is obviously up to opinion that being said when has he been predictable in anyway? His plans usually are out of the norm compared to other villains. If you really need examples pick up a Batman book.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why would you need examples if you already agreed he is unpredictable?

You answered you're question below.

Originally posted by iceman24567
We dissagree on how unpredictable he is which is obviously up to opinion that being said when has he been predictable in anyway?

Well using the same sort of plane eg posion gas...again.

Originally posted by iceman24567

His plans usually are out of the norm compared to other villains. If you really need examples pick up a Batman book.

Thats the point they are not that out of the norm. Killing people with poision gas, beating somebody over the head with a crowbar, using traps with spikes at the bottom. Hell also if you look at certain issues its not even that hard to rattle his cage.

Right except Jokers actions lack logic read Batman and you would know that. Bruce even claims he's the only person that understands him. If that is not a huge advantage for him in this scenario then I'm insane.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Right except Jokers actions lack logic read Batman and you would know that. Bruce even claims he's the only person that understands him. If that is not a huge advantage for him in this scenario then I'm insane.

I read Batman and this stuff about his actions lacking logic is blown out of proportion. The logic of his actions are that hes a malicious psycho that wants to destory everything hes just more eccentric than other villains. If Bruce is the only one who understands him why was Jason Todd and Azreal able to rattle his cage? Hell I think Azreal just met him and pissed him off. Azreal isnt thick but hes no super genuis either.

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
yeah but does the leader HAVE a home turf? I would think he'd be used to it.

Also the Joker is used to fighting a main opponent who is also smart and proficient with tactics and gadgets. While the Leader's main foe...is good at smashing things.