The Leader vs The Joker

Started by Phantom Zone3 pages
Originally posted by Mindship
While the Leader's main foe...is good at smashing things.

Yes but his opponent is so powerful you have to be supersmart to find ways to beat him.

So rattle his cage = understanding. I take the Bats word over yours anyday. I doubt the majority of readers agree with you assessment but then again I dont care much 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah for starters if you question the Jokers sanity it pisses him off. Hes also usally a city wide threat.
Joker knows that he's insane. Also he's a world threat, it depends on his mood. For example in "last laugh" he escapes outta prison and in just a few hours the whole planet is in panic.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So rattle his cage = understanding. I take the Bats word over yours anyday.

Yeah it does to an extent. If you want to defeat your opponent it helps to know what things push his buttons its a tactic that is often used in comics.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I doubt the majority of readers agree with you assessment but then again I dont care much 😬

Doesnt really matter because you're just talking while im giving evidence which you just keep ignoring. You dont care because you're not debating at all.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but his opponent is so powerful you have to be supersmart to find ways to beat him.
Batkick > Hulk. 😛

Originally posted by SamZED
Joker knows that he's insane. Also he's a world threat, it depends on his mood. For example in "last laugh" he escapes outta prison and in just a few hours the whole planet is in panic.

He doesnt become a world threat based on one showing. He thought he was going to die anyway so those stipulations dont apply to this thread. I didnt say he wasnt insane, this hes so unpreditably insane thing is blown out of proportion.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt become a world threat based on one showing.
There are other examples. Just saying that if he feels like it he can become a world threat.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah it does to an extent. If you want to defeat your opponent it helps to know what things push his buttons its a tactic that is often used in comics.

Doesnt really matter because you're just talking while im giving evidence which you just keep ignoring. You dont care because you're not debating at all.

Your evidence is rattling his chains? That's not any kind of evidence all you have to do to the Joker to rattle his chains his tell him he isn't funny. How hard is that? It doesn't really matter because like i said his level of unpredictability is up to opinion but him being unpredictable is a given. My evidence is the countless acts of crime without any logical reason saying he is more eccentric proves my point 🙄

Originally posted by SamZED
There are other examples. Just saying that if he feels like it he can become a world threat.

Then why does he get beaten by street levelers (excluding Batman)?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Your evidence is rattling his chains? That's not any kind of evidence all you have to do to the Joker to rattle his chains his tell him he isn't funny. How hard is that?

*sigh* You're just not listening are you? Try reading what I said again.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It doesn't really matter because like i said his level of unpredictability is up to opinion but him being unpredictable is a given. My evidence is the countless acts of crime without any logical reason saying he is more eccentric proves my point 🙄

You havent given one example, you just keep saying hes unpredictable.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Then why does he get beaten by street levelers (excluding Batman)?

*sigh* You're just not listening are you? Try reading what I said again.

You havent given one example, you just keep saying hes unpredictable.

facepalm Why would i need examples the proof is in the pudding. Alex Luthor didn't want Joker in his Society for that very reason I'm sue you read Countdown 🙄

Always thought it was funny that one of Marvels most intelligent villians always lost to one of its dumbest heros.

All CIS aside, Leader should win.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Then why does he get beaten by street levelers (excluding Batman)?
It has nothing to do with that. If he in less than few hours can cause a worldwide chaos and all the superheros couldn't stop him I believe he should be concidered a world threat.

Originally posted by tkitna
Always thought it was funny that one of Marvels most intelligent villians always lost to one of its dumbest heros.

All CIS aside, Leader should win.

Tahaha never thought about that until now.

Originally posted by iceman24567
facepalm Why would i need examples the proof is in the pudding. Alex Luthor didn't want Joker in his Society for that very reason I'm sue you read Countdown 🙄

Well I know the incident you are refering to and have read the issues concerning this. That still doesnt change the fact that alot of his plans are basically not more unpredictable than alot of other villains. That unpredictably was more to do with him being a trouble maker, Lex who was less intelligent didnt have problems with his unpredictability.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well I know the incident you are refering to and have read the issues concerning this. That still doesnt change the fact that alot of his plans are basically not more unpredictable than alot of other villains. That unpredictably was more to do with him being a trouble maker, Lex who was less intelligent didnt have problems with his unpredictability.
What do you mean Lex didn't have a problem with him? Although knowing Joker is insane maybe he can change his thought process to take the improbable scenarios into consideration and counter Jokers unpredictability. Yeah the Leader is smarter than lex but not by leaps and bounds.

Originally posted by SamZED
It has nothing to do with that. If he in less than few hours can cause a worldwide chaos and all the superheros couldn't stop him I believe he should be concidered a world threat.

Nah man its got everything to do with that. You're taking his minor showings and treating it like it should be the norm. Why should I give Joker the benefit of the doubt against a supervillain who regulary works at a highier tempo?

If the Joker didn't have some much fun playing with Batman he would be a global threat on a regular thats just my opinion though.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah man its got everything to do with that. You're taking his minor showings and treating it like it should be the norm. Why should I give Joker the benefit of the doubt against a supervillain who regulary works at a highier tempo?
C'mone man, you can't say that he is not a world thread because he doesn't have the strength to fight trained MAs h2h. That's not important. Its not like Dr. Doom never got his ass kicked by Squirrel girl and Luke Cage. The Joker can pose a threat to the world and he HAS before, that imo makes him a world threat.

Personally, I think the challenge for The Leader would be to try and control the Joker.

ok and it ended with me talkin....interesting.....