Blood & Thunder Thor Vs WW3 Black Adam

Originally posted by cloud102
No need for insults, man. If you don't agree, fine, but I didn't come to insult. I even asked a question, which you have never answered. Who has put Adam down with magic or blunt force? I have even given examples of Adam taking on force from Synn on more than one occasion. Taken on the JSA, Billy SHAZAM, etc... and why do you keep saying Thor would just throw an onslaught of blows at Adam, when Adam has PROVEN his speed. Both Adam and Billy have tagged Flash's in their lifetime and has actually used super speed. Plus Adam's Wisdom has helped him out in the past as well.

I didnt insult u. I commented on the absurdity of the post u made nothing more. Adam has been hurt by both magic and blunt force before. Him not being killed or koed in a one on one fight which quite frankly im almost sure he has(ill have to recheck all his battles aainst CM) really would have more to do with the actual length of the fight. It has little bearings on his durability because we know fully well that he CAN be hurt by attacks of this level (even weaker ones) and it follows that if he is affected by those attacks, its only a matter of how many are needed to down him. Hence the belief as to whether he can be harmed or koed by thor make absolutely no sense whatsoever. You showed Adam getting punched into spae by Synn which is fairly impressive but nothing that puts him physically on the same level as B and T thor who considering he was actually getting owned in that battle. Taking on Billy Shazam and the JSA really has no bearings here without proper u providing and highlighting the parts of those fights that would be relevant to this situation. And yes thor would tag Adam repeatedly, mainly because thor has very good reactions and refexes as well as the fact that its more likely for Adam to first come out trying to outbrawl thor.(Especially with it being WW3 Adam)

Because for most purposes, Billy is equal to Adam. Pretty much always has been since they were created. Hell, Adam harmed Spectre in John's JSA, so I'm betting he can harm Thor, who is weaker. Billy has also taken on magic attacks generated through 5 D Energy. It's hard to get more powerful than that in terms of actual magic.

So, let me ask again, when has Adam been taken down? Find some examples and I'll concede

You missed the point entirely. That line of logic in and of itself was entirely faulty and made no sense at all. Billy was manhandled by the specctre and could have been killed at any time by him. That is not an instance that can then be used to justify either he or blackadam defeating someone (especially not B and T thor). As i showed in my previous post, the logic can easily be applied to thor or any other character and hence make the entire "debate" irrational. Further i never claimed that BA couldnt harm thor just that thor could inflict much greater damage (though he did nothing more than superficially damage the spectre). Further id like to see scans of the attacks captain marvel took from 5d imps because im almost sure that they were not attacks meant to actually kill him(if not hed be dead).

Adam has been hurt and defeated on numerous occasions by attacks much weaker that what this version of thor is capable of dishing out. Thats all that really matters. Further by continuously comparing him to captaon marvel u defeat ur own argument since Cap marvel CAN and HAS been hurt and koed before by blunt force and other attacks below the level of what B and T thor can dish out.

I didnt insult u. I commented on the absurdity of the post u made nothing more. Adam has been hurt by both magic and blunt force before. Him not being killed or koed in a one on one fight which quite frankly im almost sure he has(ill have to recheck all his battles aainst CM) really would have more to do with the actual length of the fight. It has little bearings on his durability because we know fully well that he CAN be hurt by attacks of this level (even weaker ones) and it follows that if he is affected by those attacks, its only a matter of how many are needed to down him. Hence the belief as to whether he can be harmed or koed by thor make absolutely no sense whatsoever. You showed Adam getting punched into spae by Synn which is fairly impressive but nothing that puts him physically on the same level as B and T thor who considering he was actually getting owned in that battle. Taking on Billy Shazam and the JSA really has no bearings here without proper u providing and highlighting the parts of those fights that would be relevant to this situation. And yes thor would tag Adam repeatedly, mainly because thor has very good reactions and refexes as well as the fact that its more likely for Adam to first come out trying to outbrawl thor.(Especially with it being WW3 Adam)

What are these attacks? Adam has withstood attacks greater than the ones you are referring to, including a magical bullet designed IN THE ROCK OF ETERNITY. Yet, he healed directly after that. JSA needed a plot device to actually take him down and an all out Superman failed to even harm Adam in any signifcant way. Please give me some examples. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong.

Onimar Synn is a great example, because of the source of his powers. I'd rank him in the realm of Thanos, myself.

You missed the point entirely. That line of logic in and of itself was entirely faulty and made no sense at all. Billy was manhandled by the specctre and could have been killed at any time by him. That is not an instance that can then be used to justify either he or blackadam defeating someone (especially not B and T thor). As i showed in my previous post, the logic can easily be applied to thor or any other character and hence make the entire "debate" irrational. Further i never claimed that BA couldnt harm thor just that thor could inflict much greater damage (though he did nothing more than superficially damage the spectre). Further id like to see scans of the attacks captain marvel took from 5d imps because im almost sure that they were not attacks meant to actually kill him(if not hed be dead).

He was surviving the attacks, yes. I never said Spectre couldn't kill him, but the fact that Billy AND Adam have survived the Spectre shjows how extremely durable they are.

In the instance you are asking of, Billy ran through firestorm generated by 5 Dimensional magic. I believe this was V&V, but some of the scans did not work. Also note that no other hero could survivr such an attack. This was a possesed Johnny Thunder, BTW.

I take that back, I'm pretty sure it was the Ultra-Humanite arc. UHM had many people possesed.

Originally posted by cloud102
What are these attacks? Adam has withstood attacks greater than the ones you are referring to, including a magical bullet designed IN THE ROCK OF ETERNITY. Yet, he healed directly after that. JSA needed a plot device to actually take him down and an all out Superman failed to even harm Adam in any signifcant way. Please give me some examples. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong.

A bullet being esigned in the rock of eternity isnt enough in and of itself to get an accurate guage on its power. Also which fight against superman are u talking about? I sincerely hope u r not claiming that BA was able to take supes best shots like they were nothing. IIRC supes and BA have never had any prolonged conclusive fights and in none of them has BA ever been unaffected by supes best attacks. By "siginificant harm" do u mean lasting damage? because due to the shrot length of their fights its expected that no lasting harm would have been done. Infact going by that im sure BA did no significant damage to supes either. Now i know BA has survived some impressive attacks but thats the key word he "survived" them, he was still affected by them. THe instances im talking about are his being affected by attacks from the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel,Captain Nazi,Power girl Jay garrick,Martian Manhunter etc and other such top tiers all of whom are below B and T thor in regards to damage output.

He was surviving the attacks, yes. I never said Spectre couldn't kill him, but the fact that Billy AND Adam have survived the Spectre shjows how extremely durable they are.

In the instance you are asking of, Billy ran through firestorm generated by 5 Dimensional magic. I believe this was V&V, but some of the scans did not work. Also note that no other hero could survivr such an attack. This was a possesed Johnny Thunder, BTW.

I take that back, I'm pretty sure it was the Ultra-Humanite arc. UHM had many people possesed

IIRc the spectre was trying to drain the magic out of Billy first and not simply to obliterate him. IT was made very clear on panel that the difference in their power was so much that spectre could have easily obliterated billy whenever he wanted to. Therefore its not as great a durability feat as u are trying to make it out to be since the spectres goal was to first drain all his magic and thats why billy survived as long as he did.

ALso going thru a firestorm created by 5g magic is not at all the same as taking a direct blast from a 5d imp. Was anything shown to indicate give the actual strength of the firestorm itself? who were the other heroes present that couldnt survive it? Further was it stated clearly that the other heroes couldnt survive it or is this simply an assumption of urs? A proper assesement of the scenario can be made only after the proper context is provided.

Hey cloud, you know that stone that hit Billy when BA attacked him, it was from DOV.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/Untitled-Scanned-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA13.jpg

It doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but we were talking about it in another one.

A bullet being esigned in the rock of eternity isnt enough in and of itself to get an accurate guage on its power. Also which fight against superman are u talking about? I sincerely hope u r not claiming that BA was able to take supes best shots like they were nothing. IIRC supes and BA have never had any prolonged conclusive fights and in none of them has BA ever been unaffected by supes best attacks. By "siginificant harm" do u mean lasting damage? because due to the shrot length of their fights its expected that no lasting harm would have been done. Infact going by that im sure BA did no significant damage to supes either. Now i know BA has survived some impressive attacks but thats the key word he "survived" them, he was still affected by them. THe instances im talking about are his being affected by attacks from the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel,Captain Nazi,Power girl Jay garrick,Martian Manhunter etc and other such top tiers all of whom are below B and T thor in regards to damage output.

The bullett example is just one of the examples, Adam has withstood magical artifacts. Showing how extremely durable Adam is to magic attacks as a whole.

In the Superman fight I'm referring to, BA didn't take him too seriously. Superman landed quite a few good blows, but it did nothing. The fight wasn't long, but then again, Billy was able to take him apart with a couple of blows. Even Superman admitted that Billy had the upper hand, because of MAGIC.

As for your examples, Power Girl has proven to be little threat to Adam. If you look at the fights, Billy's only prayer in one of the fights was to remove his power source. After that, Billy has pretty much stalemated Adam. Captain Nazi failed many times against Adam as well. I want someone who has actually knocked him out in combat. Without PIS or cirumstances.

IIRc the spectre was trying to drain the magic out of Billy first and not simply to obliterate him. IT was made very clear on panel that the difference in their power was so much that spectre could have easily obliterated billy whenever he wanted to. Therefore its not as great a durability feat as u are trying to make it out to be since the spectres goal was to first drain all his magic and thats why billy survived as long as he did.

Where was this? Looking at the scans (small, but somewhat readable), Spectre landed 3 tough blows to Billy. Spectre then said, "Lets finish this!" and Billy kept on coming at him for a time, until Enchantress could amp him. That's also quite a feat for Spectre NOT to drain his powers. Same with SHAZAM in Black Adam's origin. From what I understand the only beings ABLE to take away Adam's or Billy's powers are the Gods that grant him them in the first place. But it depends on the writer, I guess, because SHAZAM was able to do this in the last JSA arc.

ALso going thru a firestorm created by 5g magic is not at all the same as taking a direct blast from a 5d imp. Was anything shown to indicate give the actual strength of the firestorm itself? who were the other heroes present that couldnt survive it? Further was it stated clearly that the other heroes couldnt survive it or is this simply an assumption of urs? A proper assesement of the scenario can be made only after the proper context is provided.

It's pretty good showing, considering that pretty much all the heroes of earth were present. IIRC, Ultra-Humanite effected the minds early on. It was a very powerful energy attack that was through Thunderbolt himself.

Originally posted by Mindset
Hey cloud, you know that stone that hit Billy when BA attacked him, it was from DOV.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/Untitled-Scanned-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA13.jpg

It doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but we were talking about it in another one.

Good find. I'm not an expert on DOV, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Originally posted by cloud102
The bullett example is just one of the examples, Adam has withstood magical artifacts. Showing how extremely durable Adam is to magic attacks as a whole.

In the bullet example wasnt he still hurt by it? If so then it does nothing to support this ur false idea of near complete invulnerability uve been advocating for BA

In the Superman fight I'm referring to, BA didn't take him too seriously. Superman landed quite a few good blows, but it did nothing. The fight wasn't long, but then again, Billy was able to take him apart with a couple of blows. Even Superman admitted that Billy had the upper hand, because of MAGIC.

As for your examples, Power Girl has proven to be little threat to Adam. If you look at the fights, Billy's only prayer in one of the fights was to remove his power source. After that, Billy has pretty much stalemated Adam. Captain Nazi failed many times against Adam as well. I want someone who has actually knocked him out in combat. Without PIS or cirumstances.

Im absolutely sure that there is no fight in which BA has gone unaffected by supermans blows. Once again please clarify what u mean by "significant harm" because if u are talking about lasting damage then its not applicable because o how short the fight was and im sure that BA did no such damage to supes either.

Powergirl has actually been able to hurt Adam with her HV and punches. Billy has come out looking better than him in some of their fights as well hurting him greatly. Captain Nazi has also been able to affect him with his attacks. The same goes for superman, Jaygarrick Martian manhunter and others on that level. Hence to claim that this version Thor will be unable to really harm him is asinine. I dont need to show BA getting knocked out for us to know he can be harmed. His being knocked out in a fight is mainlydependent on the length of the fight. However the fact that during battles he has been hurt numerous times by people considerably below B and T thor in regards to damage output indicates that he will be hurt badly by B and T thors attacks and it follows that with enough of those attacks he will get knocked out.

Where was this? Looking at the scans (small, but somewhat readable), Spectre landed 3 tough blows to Billy. Spectre then said, "Lets finish this!" and Billy kept on coming at him for a time, until Enchantress could amp him. That's also quite a feat for Spectre NOT to drain his powers. Same with SHAZAM in Black Adam's origin. From what I understand the only beings ABLE to take away Adam's or Billy's powers are the Gods that grant him them in the first place. But it depends on the writer, I guess, because SHAZAM was able to do this in the last JSA arc.

The spectre repeatedly tells billy during their fight that he should simply give himself up and come quietly. this is because he wants to drain out all the raw magic inside billy. While Billy does struggle, the spectre continuously tell him of the futility of his efforts. At that point in time the spectre idnt want to obliterate billy but rather wanted to take him so he could start draining his power. Hence the reason i said its hardly as a good a durability feat as ur making it sound since the spectres intentions at that point in time are what caused billy to survive. At the point where the spectre says "Lets end this" and is about to get serious enchantress had already begun amping billy.

Also the Spectre WAS able to take away billys powers. He eventually started "bleeding him dry" of his magical powers.

It's pretty good showing, considering that pretty much all the heroes of earth were present. IIRC, Ultra-Humanite effected the minds early on. It was a very powerful energy attack that was through Thunderbolt himself.

Once again was it said that only captain marvel could survive it or its conjecture on ur part?

In the bullet example wasnt he still hurt by it? If so then it does nothing to support this ur false idea of near complete invulnerability uve been advocating for BA

LOL! I never said Adam or Billy were completely invulnerable. What I DID say was PRE-CRISIS Adam and Billy had true invulnerability. Both compatants could land blows on each other for HOURS and not feel a thing. Black Adam took the combined hits of Billy, Mary, and Marvel Jr at once and he just laughed at it. I can send you the scans, if you want.

Im absolutely sure that there is no fight in which BA has gone unaffected by supermans blows. Once again please clarify what u mean by "significant harm" because if u are talking about lasting damage then its not applicable because o how short the fight was and im sure that BA did no such damage to supes either.

What I mean is that Adam wasn't hurt by them. I'm pretty sure it's in the respect thread. Give a look. From what I can see, Adam even turned his BACK on Superman. Earlier, Superman even stated that he had no problem going all out, because for a foe like Adam, you have to.

Powergirl has actually been able to hurt Adam with her HV and punches. Billy has come out looking better than him in some of their fights as well hurting him greatly. Captain Nazi has also been able to affect him with his attacks. The same goes for superman, Jaygarrick Martian manhunter and others on that level. Hence to claim that this version Thor will be unable to really harm him is asinine. I dont need to show BA getting knocked out for us to know he can be harmed. His being knocked out in a fight is mainlydependent on the length of the fight. However the fact that during battles he has been hurt numerous times by people considerably below B and T thor in regards to damage output indicates that he will be hurt badly by B and T thors attacks and it follows that with enough of those attacks he will get knocked out.

I'm not seeing that. From the scans I'm reviwing, Power Girl and even Jay Garrick couldn't put him down. When Dr. Fate came through with his wife, even he admitted he would have little effect on Adam. In one of Adam's fights with the JSA, Dr. Fate needed Hourman's help to create a time funnel to channel Adam's lightning. Again, I'm NOT saying Adam can't be effected by blows, but it's going to take a lot more than hitting to take him out of the fight.

The spectre repeatedly tells billy during their fight that he should simply give himself up and come quietly. this is because he wants to drain out all the raw magic inside billy. While Billy does struggle, the spectre continuously tell him of the futility of his efforts. At that point in time the spectre idnt want to obliterate billy but rather wanted to take him so he could start draining his power. Hence the reason i said its hardly as a good a durability feat as ur making it sound since the spectres intentions at that point in time are what caused billy to survive. At the point where the spectre says "Lets end this" and is about to get serious enchantress had already begun amping billy.

Yet, he doesn't give up and holds on until Enchantress can amp him. It's a good feat, seeing as Billy is bruised and battered, yet still keeps on coming.

Once again was it said that only captain marvel could survive it or its conjecture on ur part?

It was shown, because nobody had the power to stand up to such an attack. Cap then volunteers to do it, killing Johnny Thunderbolt. Everyone from Superman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, JSA, JLA, etc... were there. Billy did not go down as well.

It's Lightning strikes #33-37. I'm trying to find working scans, so I have a better picture of it. Here is the final 2 scans from the respect thread by Thorion.

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=d7265_capimp3.jpg

http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=200ce_capimp4.jpg

Originally posted by cloud102
[B]LOL! I never said Adam or Billy were completely invulnerable. What I DID say was PRE-CRISIS Adam and Billy had true invulnerability. Both compatants could land blows on each other for HOURS and not feel a thing. Black Adam took the combined hits of Billy, Mary, and Marvel Jr at once and he just laughed at it. I can send you the scans, if you want.

What I mean is that Adam wasn't hurt by them. I'm pretty sure it's in the respect thread. Give a look. From what I can see, Adam even turned his BACK on Superman. Earlier, Superman even stated that he had no problem going all out, because for a foe like Adam, you have to.

Ive seen the fight and that logic doesnt fly at all. There may have been no visible injuries and such to Adam but that was because it was mainly blunt force trauma. There werent any visible injuries to superman either. You cant suddenly claim that superman was unhurt by BAs punches and neither can u claim that Ba was unhurt by supermans. If either of them had taken enough of the others blows in that fight they would have been koed.

I'm not seeing that. From the scans I'm reviwing, Power Girl and even Jay Garrick couldn't put him down. When Dr. Fate came through with his wife, even he admitted he would have little effect on Adam. In one of Adam's fights with the JSA, Dr. Fate needed Hourman's help to create a time funnel to channel Adam's lightning. Again, I'm NOT saying Adam can't be effected by blows, but it's going to take a lot more than hitting to take him out of the fight.

Dr fate could have little effect on Adam with his spells and such. Thats cuz of his magical resistance. Thor will be using energy attacks and blunt force trauma which we have seen do affect Adam greatly. In addition these are attacks that will be much more powerful than those we have seen affect him already. Given enough of those attacks he will be koed since he isnt completely invulnerable

Yet, he doesn't give up and holds on until Enchantress can amp him. It's a good feat, seeing as Billy is bruised and battered, yet still keeps on coming.

Its a good feat but nowhere out of the range of the likes of thor and superman let alone above them. Not even close to what u were initially making it out to be

It was shown, because nobody had the power to stand up to such an attack. Cap then volunteers to do it, killing Johnny Thunderbolt. Everyone from Superman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, JSA, JLA, etc... were there. Billy did not go down as well.

I will wait for the scans.

I know what u said. Thats why i said "near" complete invlunerability. Because uve been making claims that thor wont be able to put Adam down and the likes. These claims are in turn supported by nothing. This is a guy whose face was melted by martian vision.

I never said he was near complete invulnerable. That doesn't even make sense. That's the description of Adam's invulnerability. He is near invulnerable. Both Adam and Billy have seen it all from even a Tesseract bomb capable of turning Billy INSIDE OUT. I'd claim Thor as near invulnerable too, but The Marvel family has some of the best durability in comics. Period.

Ive seen the fight and that logic doesnt fly at all. There may have been no visible injuries and such to Adam but that was because it was mainly blunt force trauma. There werent any visible injuries to superman either. You cant suddenly claim that superman was unhurt by BAs punches and neither can u claim that Ba was unhurt by supermans. If either of them had taken enough of the others blows in that fight they would have been koed.

That's MY definition of unphased or unaffected by Superman's attacks. If Adam was effected, he wouldn't have turned his back on Superman.

If either of them had taken enough of the others blows in that fight they would have been koed.

In your opinion, of course. Neither Superman or Black Adam have ever went the distance, so you don't know for sure. You have nothing to back that up. However, as history has shown with Adam and Billy (who is pretty much Superman's equal in strength), Adam has went the distance with Billy and has never been koed by Billy to my knowledge. If you think so, please SHOW me some scans.

Dr fate could have little effect on Adam with his spells and such. Thats cuz of his magical resistance. Thor will be using energy attacks and blunt force trauma which we have seen do affect Adam greatly. In addition these are attacks that will be much more powerful than those we have seen affect him already. Given enough of those attacks he will be koed since he isnt completely invulnerable

Again, show me an issue where Adam has been Koed. I have no doubt that they will have an effect on Adam, but that doesn't mean he'd be koed. While I have shown a villain above top tier lay into Adam and Adam came back for more.

Its a good feat but nowhere out of the range of the likes of thor and superman let alone above them. Not even close to what u were initially making it out to be

I never said it was out of the realm for Thor or Superman. I just said it was a good feat, which you agreed.

I will wait for the scans.

I'll see if they have the book at the store, because the first 2 scans don't work.

Originally posted by jltruth
this post is hilarious, I give supes the majority over hyperion and that alone wont be easy.

and thor wins this 10/10

Originally posted by cloud102
I never said he was near complete invulnerable. That doesn't even make sense. That's the description of Adam's invulnerability. He is near invulnerable. Both Adam and Billy have seen it all from even a Tesseract bomb capable of turning Billy INSIDE OUT. I'd claim Thor as near invulnerable too, but The Marvel family has some of the best durability in comics. Period.

For u to say that thor ant put him down or will find it hard to ko him, it means that u believe he is nearly completely invulnerable because this is the only way that such an idea is even remotely possible. Frankly it is supported by nothing. None of the durability feats of BA and Billy are beyond those of Thor or supes and surfer flat out has better durability feats than they do. To then say that thor cant put him down is simply ridiculous.

That's MY definition of unphased or unaffected by Superman's attacks. If Adam was effected, he wouldn't have turned his back on Superman.

Adam engaged supes fully in that fight. He took him very very seriously. Adam turning his back on supes towards the end of the fight was to indicatte his lack of a desire to fight toe to toe anymore not some false superiority. Honestly its absurd to think he was unaffected by supes attacks, and going by that line of logic supoes was unaffected by his as well.

In your opinion, of course. Neither Superman or Black Adam have ever went the distance, so you don't know for sure. You have nothing to back that up. However, as history has shown with Adam and Billy (who is pretty much Superman's equal in strength), Adam has went the distance with Billy and has never been koed by Billy to my knowledge. If you think so, please SHOW me some scans.

Yes Billy and Adam have had prolonged fights in which neithe hve been koed. However that does not suddenly make them immune to being koed by physical force. That is a no limit fallacy and hence faulty logic. Neither billy nor Adam have complete invulnerability which means that given enough blows or attacks they WILL go down. Hence its not my opinion but rather a fact that if Adam had received enough punches from superman he CERTAINLY WOULD have gone down. BA is a character without even up to 100 appearances, to think that just because he might not have been koed in a physical confrontation indicates that he is somehow immune to being taken out via such attacks is extremely fallacious reasoning. Further Captain Marvel himself who u have constantly equated Adam to HAS been koed via physical force before which further negates ur argument.

n, show me an issue where Adam has been Koed. I have no doubt that they will have an effect on Adam, but that doesn't mean he'd be koed. While I have shown a villain above top tier lay into Adam and Adam came back for more.

Frankly i dont need to show anything. IF u agree that B and T thors blows will have an effect on Adam then him being koed is only a matter of time. Further his energy attacks which are far more powerful tha Martian vision will put Adam in a very bad state. U showing Adam taking a few punches from Onimar synn without being koed in no way shows he cant be koed by punches. It doesnt even come close to showing it.

Originally posted by cloud102
Who wins?

B&T Thor had the PG, not mention he was in WM mode to boot, he'd house BA!

Originally posted by lordraiden
B&T Thor had the PG, not mention he was in WM mode to boot, he'd house BA!

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think he has the power gem in this thread.

He quoted: " Thor from Blood & Thunder"! Thor from B&T had the PG! So i'm assuming that's what he meant!

Originally posted by lordraiden
He quoted: " Thor from Blood & Thunder"! Thor from B&T had the PG! So i'm assuming that's what he meant!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor also didn't acquire the gem until the last few issues. If Thor has the gem it's spite so why would he be given the gem?

Ah, actually, he aquired it early on in the story, bout the first quarter! And as I stated before, he said Thor from B&T, I took that to be WM Thor with the PG. So, until he comes out and says otherwise, I will revalue my position on the battle then.

Originally posted by lordraiden
Ah, actually, he aquired it early on in the story, bout the first quarter! And as I stated before, he said Thor from B&T, I took that to be WM Thor with the PG. So, until he comes out and says otherwise, I will revalue my position on the battle then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't get it early on. With the gem it's spite.

Well, how bout you come back to me in what issue he got it in, and how far along in the story it was, rather than us second guessing each other, and save me the trouble of digging up my collection ;-)! If you believe it's spite, then you need to ask the op, as he's the only one who can clear this up.

In fact, i'll save you the trouble, it was in The Mighty Thor #469, which was part 5 in the 13 parter! Like I said, it was earlier on in the piece, not at the end! The first half of the story was Thor going AWOL and then aquiring the PG when he knocked it out of Drax's belly and he spewed it out and Thor got hold of it, which as I stated earlier, was only part five in the storyline! He had the PG for the last eight issues of the story.