Originally posted by Eminence
Leave it to Nai to cause chaos in a thread filled with DARE spokesmen and baby pictures.
Chaos? And causing it?
Sexy started that little "battle of wits" and then - just as each and every single time before - realized that he entered the fray without sufficient weaponry. It's not my fault. 🙁
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nai, I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese meal supersized, with a strawberry milkshake, and step on it. Maybe you can even teach me some Nietzsche while flipping my burger.
Is there more from your daily struggle that you want to share with us in form of a little narrative or was that all? I could point out the different values of the art of philosophy between the USA and "old Europe", starting with the fact that we have some "culture" over here that is worth studying (or philosophers worth studying for that matter) or pointing to the fact that almost any top manager over here enjoys little lections from Niccolo Machiavelli - for obvious reasons.
Instead, I'd like to congratulate you for the determination, self-command - in short - stoicism which you have shown by ignoring my posts. There is a great future waiting for you out there. 👆
Originally posted by Gideon
I understand the arrogant disposition; it will serve you well in your local Dungeons and Dragons meetings, making you a feared entity by the only two people in school who are lower on the social totem pole than yourself. However, it would behoove arrogant people to actually be right or, failing that, have an understanding of the burden of proof. That way, when they indulge in their misplaced arrogance, they don't come off as stupid or inept.You strike me as someone who watches a lot of TV and thinks that imitating an arrogant know-it-all will boost one's reputation amongst his peers. You couldn't be farther from the truth; in order to successfully conjure the image of an arrogant know-it-all/hardass, you must, in fact, know it all.
Fortunately, I style myself as a champion of perfection and the one entitled to correct the mistakes of others as part of my samaritan work. This is how the burden of proof works: when one makes an assertion (as you have just done), you are obligated to fulfill that burden: you must prove your case.
You have failed to done so and, instead, elected to try to shift the burden of proof to your opponent; that does not work around here.
You will provide evidence for your claims. The alternative is that you'll just be ignored: the ultimate weakness for wannabe arrogant know-it-alls.
You surely like to use verbal attacks with other people kid. It's actually funny to see you stereotyping the people who writes here just because you think everybody who writes on the net is basically a socialess fat kid from the 5th grade. Anyway, if it matters to you, I have no idea what is Dungeons and Dragons and I am taking Medicine, 2nd year. Ah, and by the way, I practise swimming 4 or 5 times a week since I am 12, so no, I don't enter in the fat socialess student category either. Anyway, if someone here is arrogant it's not me, it's quite easy to find out posts from you full of arrogance. In fact, the very point that you use ad hominem arguments in order to debate with me, as such thing would matter in a discussion, points the very quality of your assertions.
Anyway, as I said, the burden of proof is with you, and why? Because the established is that Jedi Master Luker Skywalker, grandson of the force, is the strongest force user that the galaxy has ever seen, and I really don't care about your bias towards Palpatine, so, as I said, until you dismiss the established order with ARGUMENTS, the burden of proof is with you.
I did, several pages prior. In addition to lacking understanding of basic debating principles, you apparently lack the ability to read with accuracy. Or perhaps you suffer from visual impairment? Can't read that which makes you seem idiotic?This is clearly an attempt to be a sarcastic hardass; trying to imitate me won't win you bonus points for flattery. It only makes you appear unoriginal.
You really have no idea how to debate, do you? Ad hominem is the only thing that you really master, did you know that? And I was being ironic, not sarcastic. Do you know the difference? Maybe not, since the only thing you know is ad hominem anyway. Oh, and I beg your pardon, I am unoriginal by using irony, obviously your are his master and inventor, and the only person in the world allowed to use it... You see, this was actually a sarcasm, not an irony. Can you got the difference now? ...
It's a fantastic example; potential is worthless unless it is fulfilled. You cited his potential as something of significance in this fight. I'm telling you that it is worthless until you can prove that he has achieved it.
The problem is, you are using the very extreme of the situation, which is, someone with hardly any training. Obviously Luke couldn't fight Sidious, he had not even the proper Jedi training, let alone time to develop his potential. However, has a Jedi Master, he had got much more time to develop his potential and to learn the ways of the force. The very fact that Luke showed use of so much force abilities show us that he trained deeply in the jed ways. So, as I said, even if Luke had not showed us all his potential as you try to clame, when he are talking about someone with twice the potential from Palpatine, he surely surpassed palpatine by FAR right now. The very striking example, as I had already showed, is Anakin's power during ROTS even though he wasn't a schoolar and had only 13 years of training.
Current incarnation =/= prime. Rather than waste time trying to be witty, do yourself a favor and read.
Always nice. I would like you to define his prime then.
I would strongly urge you to read the "Completed Palpatine Essay" located in the EU section.But to quickly answer, when Palpatine ascended to Galactic Emperor, he began a galactic-wide search and acquisition of Force knowledge that he was unable to do prior due to the demands of his station; he was forced to maintain a low profile so as to avoid detection. As Emperor, he was the highest authority in the galaxy and, according to the Dark Empire Sourcebook, gathered the works from over a million worlds and studied many Force cults. He achieved an unparalleled mastery of Force techniques, thus increasing his power significantly relative to his prequel trilogy days.
However, even though he gathered works from other force cults, what kind of TREMENDOUS power would that gave him? He was a sith and had access to all knowledge from a bane's order with 1000 years of existence, so what kind of incredible knowledge other inferior cults would gave to him? Are you telling me that the witches of dathomir had more knowledge about the dark side then the very SITH ORDER? While I could possibly think that Papatine MAY got stronger, I hardly believe that with all the core knowledge he already had access, which is all the knowledge from the very sith order, whose knowledge came from people like Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane, Darth Revan or even people like Naga Sadow, he couldn't have got access to much more knowledge about the dark side.
Nick Gillard isn't a canon source. The fact that, when in a certain situation, Anakin Skywalker was able to overpower Count Dooku in a lightsaber duel does not mean that Luke Skywalker would overcome Palpatine in the Force.None of this remotely suggests he could take on Palpatine and achieve anything other than a brutal death.
But is nontheless someone to consider, since he made the choreographies of the movies.
Anakin surpassed Dooku due to his tremendous force reserves, that was pretty much left clear in the novelization, so my point remains, even though he had few training, he could already use channel enormous levels of power in order to outduel Dooku.
You've made mistakes that approach legion in their quantity. I enjoyed your attempt to be sarcastic and arrogant, but you lacked any of the redeeming qualities that make sarcastic, arrogant hardasses tolerable, fun, or cute.Conserve your energies for actually knowing what you're talking about.
You really think high of yourself don't you? It's actually funny to see you acting like this lol. I could actually made comments right now about your most likely persona, but I wouldn't do it because it's not simply my way to be. Anyway, in your next post try to answer my arguments with half the ad hominem you used, that's all I ask.
However, even though he gathered works from other force cults, what kind of TREMENDOUS power would that gave him? He was a sith and had access to all knowledge from a bane's order with 1000 years of existence, so what kind of incredible knowledge other inferior cults would gave to him? Are you telling me that the witches of dathomir had more knowledge about the dark side then the very SITH ORDER? While I could possibly think that Papatine MAY got stronger, I hardly believe that with all the core knowledge he already had access, which is all the knowledge from the very sith order, whose knowledge came from people like Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane, Darth Revan or even people like Naga Sadow, he couldn't have got access to much more knowledge about the dark side.
To add, Sidious himself asserts that Sith don't gain power from knowledge, like Jedi do, but instead gain knowledge from power. Rise Of Darth Vader I think.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
You surely like to use verbal attacks with other people kid. It's actually funny to see you stereotyping the people who writes here just because you think everybody who writes on the net is basically a socialess fat kid from the 5th grade. Anyway, if it matters to you, I have no idea what is Dungeons and Dragons and I am taking Medicine, 2nd year. Ah, and by the way, I practise swimming 4 or 5 times a week since I am 12, so no, I don't enter in the fat socialess student category either. Anyway, if someone here is arrogant it's not me, it's quite easy to find out posts from you full of arrogance. In fact, the very point that you use ad hominem arguments in order to debate with me, as such thing would matter in a discussion, points the very quality of your assertions.
I'll let Nemesis take this; he'll have a field day with the butchered grammar.
Anyway, as I said, the burden of proof is with you, and why? Because the established is that Jedi Master Luker Skywalker, grandson of the force, is the strongest force user that the galaxy has ever seen,
Prove it.
Where is it established? You saying it doesn't make it true.
and I really don't care about your bias towards Palpatine, so, as I said, until you dismiss the established order with ARGUMENTS, the burden of proof is with you.
We're going to stop here. I'm a man of my word and I told you not to waste my time again. You made the claim, it is your burden to prove, as Nemesis and Lucien told you. You do not get to shift the burden to me and yet make unsubstantiated claims with reckless abandon.
You want me to be nicer? More patient, perhaps? Learn the burden of proof clause.
I'll keep you off ignore long enough for you to a.) learn the clause and try again and b.) prove that Luke Skywalker is established as the most powerful Force user ever.
Then you'll be insulted and put on ignore. I'm more than happy to argue with people who disagree with me, but not like this.
Good to see you pretty much avoided answering my post.
As for my grammar, I am not from an english speaking country, obviously my english is far from perfect, especially when I am talking with natives, besides the fact I didn't really pay too much attention to it.
Anyway, I see it's pointless to continue with this if you don't want to answer my post. However, as you asked, I wll post in you Sidious essay the very same question I put here, maybe you answer me there.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
Good to see you pretty much avoided answering my post.
As for my grammar, I am not from an english speaking country, obviously my english is far from perfect, especially when I am talking with natives, besides the fact I didn't really pay too much attention to it.Anyway, I see it's pointless to continue with this if you don't want to answer my post. However, as you asked, I wll post in you Sidious essay the very same question I put here, maybe you answer me there.
Like I said, I'm a man of my word. I told you that you wouldn't waste my time, and I remain adamant on that issue.
Do they teach logic in your country? Because in addition to having imperfect English, you know nothing of the burden of proof.
Once again, simply because you say Luke Skywalker is the best doesn't make it true. When you prove it, we'll move on.