Originally posted by Advent
If quotes are the be all, end all...[b]"The most powerful and dangerous of all Sith Lords, Exar Kun”
– this is from the “Dark Lords of the Sith” section of the The Official Star Wars Fact File (keywords there: official, fact), a canon magazine compilation of...well, facts. The profile on Sith Lords included Darth Sidious, Darth Vader and Freedon Nadd, among a couple of others. The intention of which was to discuss the power and history of the dark side. [/B]
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Originally posted by truejedi
😑hmmm... I'm sure the idea being the most powerful Sith Lord ever when he was alive... But now we do quite literally have 2 quotes stating different DLOTS as the most powerful. Though Sidious's quotes seem to be higher canon. However, disagreeing canon period is bad in general.
Point #1, three of said quotes in Palpatine's favor are nugatory, that is, bunk. I haven't seen anything else that concretely calls him "the most powerful Sith Lord ever" (that doesn't mean there isn't anything out there, however). Point #2, how are Palpatine's quotes of a "higher canon"? It's stated only in C-canon sources and the Official Star Wars Fact File sounds a helluva' lot more legitimate than you make it out to. It is C-Canon.
Well advent, the dark empire source book stated that "Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned".
And for exar kuns quote, another quote contradicts it in a way.
Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia:
"Exar Kun, Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith
He was ONCE the most powerful of the dark lords, the quote is indicating that he has been surpassed eventually.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Well advent, the DESB stated that "Palpatine, the most powerful sith lord [b]who ever lived had returned".Ad for exar kuns quote, another quote contradicts it in a way.[/b]
Dark Empire was created in 1991. At that point, Kun wasn't even an idea on the drawing board; certainly not an established character in the mythology. Kun's first appearance is in 1994 in Dark Lords of the Sith.
Hell, even the Dark Empire Sourcebook was published an entire year before DLotS.
Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia:"Exar Kun Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith
He was ONCE the most powerfful of the dark lords, the quote is indicating that he has been surpassed eventually.
That doesn't contradict it in any way, shape or form. Exar Kun wasn't as powerful as a spirit as he was when he consisted of flesh and blood. For example, by the New Jedi Order's time, Kun was a 4,000 year old half-mad ghost. Since he's shown to be both alive and dead, it would only make sense if he was "once" the most powerful since he's not in death.
Anything else?
Originally posted by AdventWhich means what exactly? That the quote is no longer valid? There is still a mountain of evidence to prove that sidious is the most powerful sith lord in history so i don't see this quote being invalid at all but rather it being supported by this "mountain of evidence".
Dark Empire was created in 1991. At that point, Kun wasn't even an idea on the drawing board; certainly not an established character in the mythology. Kun's first appearance is in 1994 in Dark Lords of the Sith.Hell, even the Dark Empire Sourcebook was published an entire year before DLotS.
Sure, it may have been made before TOTJ and KOTOR but that doesn't automatically make it invalid at all now seeing there's actually proof to back it up from numerous sources.
1) This quote isn't invalid(reasons above).
2) This quote isn't open to interpretation.
Originally posted by AdventEDIT, no. Probably open to interpretation.Anything else?
If you would like to see Advent's response to that, please follow this link. I'll be continuing discussions in my own thread.
If that's the kind of thing you are into... 😆
On the other hand, there's room for more discussion. I'm not really arguing so much as I am pointing out the previously unnoticed and putting what I think out there for you guys to decide on (er, and then discussing what I think about what you think).
Of course, assuming (keyword) we disregard quotes, then it's a matter of opinion. This brings back memories when Ushgarak and I got into an argument about Darth Maul reaching his potential. We were arguing about the word "apex". He posted an entry from the dictionary, I posted an alternative one. No matter what I said, the definition I gave was wrong. Admittedly, I was wrong now that I think about it, but I can say from that debate Ush is clearly entrenched in his own beliefs and not even willing to pop his head out of those trenches. If you disagree with his "ruling" (opinion), you are wrong because he says so. That's hardly a debate or even a healthy type of mindset to enter discussions with.
That's why I'm being relatively open-minded here since I'm "Fair & Balanced" like the most watched cable news journalist on the face of the earth Papa Bear Bill O'Reilly. When Bill O'Reilly tells his guests to "SHUT UP!", he really means "there's room for more discussion".
Please. You need to be reported for trolling or at least off-topic posting because absolutely nothing you say really means anything. You're the same person that claims I was "reaching" when I said Odan-Urr was one of the most knowledgeable Jedi ever, yet the basis of the argument was the exact same as the one you made for Revan except with much more substance. You bring nothing to the table.
You remind me of the Republican party, but instead of being the "Party of No", I guess we can call you "Dr. No".
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah becuase concrete quotes are really mighty leaps of logic in disguise, aren't they?
Exactly. This is the same Dr. Nobody that in response to this quote about Palpatine (I admittedly forgot to add the part that makes it invalid when I first posted it):
Originally posted by Advent
The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed."
Replied with this,
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Seems clear cut to me. There are questions only if you're specifically looking to doubt the quotes in favor of an alternate, yet less logical meaning
Originally posted by Advent
Please. You need to be reported for trolling or at least off-topic posting because absolutely nothing you say really means anything. You're the same person that claims I was "reaching" when I said Odan-Urr was one of the most knowledgeable Jedi ever, yet the basis of the argument was the exact same as the one you made for Revan except with much more substance. You bring nothing to the table.You remind me of the Republican party, but instead of being the "Party of No", I guess we can call you "Dr. No".
Again, says the girl that had to back peddle when things got too heavy for her. I countered with an argument claiming Revan's dark side knowledge far exceeded Odan Urr's since you called him so knowledgeable, and you haven't replied since.
If nothing I say means anything, I wonder how that looks for YOUR text.
