WWH kills DCU!!

Originally posted by Master Court
Beating God? Don't be a douche. Thor's not even a REAL god.

Regular Savage Hulk has beaten Thor several times. As many times as Thor has beaten him. If Savage Hulk can do it, WWH can do it better and faster.

This "SHOULD NOT" shit is illogical. It's CANON that Hulk can contend with Thor. Like it or not, it can't be "bad writing" if it's a consistent showing within continuity that Hulk goes toe-to-toe with Thor, even when Thor has decided to kill Hulk. WWH would eat him.

I'll spell it out. It's C-A-N-O-N that Hulk has even withstood, with relative ease, a blast from Galactus(of course he can't beat him, but it's a feat that he withstood the blast). Punches from the planet-busting Gladiator. Black holes. Etc. Look, for f**k's sake, we all know Hulk's feats. There's no evidence to show Hulk SHOULDN'T be able to contend with Thor. It should be(but sadly isn't) considered common knowledge that if Savage Hulk can go toe-to-toe with someone, WWH can BEAT them. WWH can beat anyone on your list.

Regular Savage Hulk is also a huge challenge for anyone on that list. In one of the Marvel/DC crossovers, Superman noted that it took everything he had to knock Hulk out. It wasn't even Savage Hulk. It was a weaker Hulk. If Superman has trouble with someone, that means that that someone can beat anyone LESS than Superman. Like everyone else on your list. You keeping up?

If Superman => Foe, and Superman > Rest of list, then Foe => Rest of list. That Foe would be Hulk. A WEAKER Hulk. Not even standard. Standard Hulk would be equal to the rest of the list. Now here, in this thread, we're talking about a SUPERIOR Hulk.

And finally, again, they're COMICS. BATMAN isn't even possible in real life. In comics, if it's canon, it's possible. Hulk's anger and power ARE limitless. Superman IS an alien. Flash IS faster than light. Powergirl's knockers ARE real. Get it? Do ya? It's not opinion if it's canon. It's FACT, dammit, FACT! Otherwise, Batman breaks a leg dropping from a balcony, Superman's NOT a Kryptonian, Flash runs at twelve miles an hour, nobody flies, and Powergirl's knockers are FAKE!

I know what you mean, but as long as I know only JLA Avengers is canon, not the rest. Supes strength level varies a lot depending what he needs to do, the only thing sure is that he´s holding back all the time and does as minimum as possible to to what he has to do. Not less, no more than he needs.

I don't have any problems if you or anybody thinks any version of Hulk could beat anybody if angry enough, I just pointed out that even WWH showed that anger has to stop at some point, voluntarily or involuntarily.

I´m sure that WWH was of course meant to please Hulk fans, but its failure was to let the other characters to appear as idiots when dealing with this one dimensional monster. I mean, they have come up with many interesting things to face Galactus and other major threats, but even Dr. Strange letting the Hulk breaking his hands, c´man.

OK is comics, I know, and making money and pleasing fans is one of the goals, even if consistency and good writing is sacrificed.

Originally posted by darkfan76
I know what you mean, but as long as I know only JLA Avengers is canon, not the rest. Supes strength level varies a lot depending what he needs to do, the only thing sure is that he´s holding back all the time and does as minimum as possible to to what he has to do. Not less, no more than he needs.

I don't have any problems if you or anybody thinks any version of Hulk could beat anybody if angry enough, I just pointed out that even WWH showed that anger has to stop at some point, voluntarily or involuntarily.

No. You're still not feeling me, bra. Savage Hulk, GIVE OR TAKE. WWHulk, much more of a challenge than Savage Hulk.

Yeah, I'm a huge Hulk fan, but I'm a logical and rational one. I've never said any Hulk beats Anti-Monitor and High-Father in a two-on-one match. I've said Savage Hulk is a challenge for Superman, which he as proven to be. With that fact, I've said WWHulk is a severe threat to anyone not at least EQUAL to Superman. I'm not saying the JLA won't beat him. But individually, WWHulk pwns. The JLA are not the X-Men. The JLA has SEVERAL planets pushers. And that's enough to beat WWHulk without power-ups, but only if they work TOGETHER. I'm saying WWHulk is a threat to ANY non-cosmic being.

Thus. Even if he's been beaten before, it's never been because of strength. Hulk's potential is limitless, therefore LEAGUES beyond even the strongest Superman. Not his starting stats, but his POTENTIAL. That's ALL I'm arguing - his POTENTIAL. Not even his certainty of victory. His strength potential, as canon, is limitless.

I know you've probably never heard of me before. I'm the LOGICAL Hulk fan-boy. Not that kind that just says "Hulk pwns" and disappears. I can be debated with. Reasoned with. Even defeated in simple and classic debate. I'm not debating Hulk beats everyone. I'm debating Hulk's canon power of limitless physical STRENGTH. If the power of the universe were decided by bench-pressing. Hulk wins hands down. But it's not. Superman's other powers outclass Hulk. Vast cosmic powers outclass Hulk. Hulk's a superhero like any other. One ultimate indisputable strength, and definite faults and weaknesses. You feel me yet? All I'm asking is to concede to Hulk's infinite physical STRENGTH, not to be confused with infinite "superiority". Between Superman and Hulk, Superman's the goodguy, and therefore should never lose.

In closure, with these stipulations, WWHulk wins over DC Earth. But DCU wins in the long run.

Originally posted by Master Court
No. You're still not feeling me, bra. Savage Hulk, GIVE OR TAKE. WWHulk, much more of a challenge than Savage Hulk.

Yeah, I'm a huge Hulk fan, but I'm a logical and rational one. I've never said any Hulk beats Anti-Monitor and High-Father in a two-on-one match. I've said Savage Hulk is a challenge for Superman, which he as proven to be. With that fact, I've said WWHulk is a severe threat to anyone not at least EQUAL to Superman. I'm not saying the JLA won't beat him. But individually, WWHulk pwns. The JLA are not the X-Men. The JLA has SEVERAL planets pushers. And that's enough to beat WWHulk without power-ups, but only if they work TOGETHER. I'm saying WWHulk is a threat to ANY non-cosmic being.

Thus. Even if he's been beaten before, it's never been because of strength. Hulk's potential is limitless, therefore LEAGUES beyond even the strongest Superman. Not his starting stats, but his POTENTIAL. That's ALL I'm arguing - his POTENTIAL. Not even his certainty of victory. His strength potential, as canon, is limitless.

I know you've probably never heard of me before. I'm the LOGICAL Hulk fan-boy. Not that kind that just says "Hulk pwns" and disappears. I can be debated with. Reasoned with. Even defeated in simple and classic debate. I'm not debating Hulk beats everyone. I'm debating Hulk's canon power of limitless physical STRENGTH. If the power of the universe were decided by bench-pressing. Hulk wins hands down. But it's not. Superman's other powers outclass Hulk. Vast cosmic powers outclass Hulk. Hulk's a superhero like any other. One ultimate indisputable strength, and definite faults and weaknesses. You feel me yet? All I'm asking is to concede to Hulk's infinite physical STRENGTH, not to be confused with infinite "superiority". Between Superman and Hulk, Superman's the goodguy, and therefore should never lose.

In closure, with these stipulations, WWHulk wins over DC Earth. But DCU wins in the long run.

Precisely the reason why Hulk takes pretty much any non-cosmic in a one-on-one slugfest in threads like this. Hulk was built as a brick who can toe to toe anyone.

Its like trying to take Deadpool out of existance....while being able to withstand up to at least the best physical assaults of Superman at the same time.....only he doesnt tire out....has no weaknesses...and will only continue to do more and more physical damage to you.

This is why you don't slug with Hulk, you have to KO him VERY early, BFR him, outsmart him/or otherwise get him to calm himself (ala Sentry), or completely cut him OFF from his internal gamma source.

If you can't, you're fighting a losing battle trying to take him out....especially in a slugfest.

I don't think that hulk can do this. Even with the stipulations of this thread. This is not just a group of heroes and villains. This is a planet full of them. This includes: Genocide, Shazam
(recently resurrected and pissed) , Specter, Zatana, A city of now well trained Kryptonians with Kryptonian tech (and they will not stand for someone trying to take over a planet that they have their eyes set on to rule themselves), Zeus, Ares, The Black Flash in the form of Barry Allen, two other flashes, etc...

Yes hulk has a year of prep, but Darkseid had thousands. Yes he has the power gem, but physical power isn't everything. There are so many magic users on dc earth that it would be ignorant of me to count them out. The power gem is capable of many things, but it by no means wins this battle, and neither does the destroyer for that matter. And as far as Loki goes, dc earth also has Ares, who is every bit as good at prep as Loki, if not better, and in this thread, has the advantage of being able to use his powers.

I'm not saying it will be a stomp on either end because a year of prep is a pretty big advantage, but hulk and company aren't winning this short of some crazy fluke. There are too many variables.

Eventually Hulk loses. Loki simply cannot be trusted. I don't think even the Beyonder has enough mojo to reality warp Loki into someone who's trustworthy.

Originally posted by Fenris878
I don't think that hulk can do this. Even with the stipulations of this thread. This is not just a group of heroes and villains. This is a planet full of them. This includes: Genocide, Shazam
(recently resurrected and pissed) , Specter, Zatana, A city of now well trained Kryptonians with Kryptonian tech (and they will not stand for someone trying to take over a planet that they have their eyes set on to rule themselves), Zeus, Ares, The Black Flash in the form of Barry Allen, two other flashes, etc...

Yes hulk has a year of prep, but Darkseid had thousands. Yes he has the power gem, but physical power isn't everything. There are so many magic users on dc earth that it would be ignorant of me to count them out. The power gem is capable of many things, but it by no means wins this battle, and neither does the destroyer for that matter. And as far as Loki goes, dc earth also has Ares, who is every bit as good at prep as Loki, if not better, and in this thread, has the advantage of being able to use his powers.

I'm not saying it will be a stomp on either end because a year of prep is a pretty big advantage, but hulk and company aren't winning this short of some crazy fluke. There are too many variables.

Its DC earth not DC universe.

Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
Eventually Hulk loses. Loki simply cannot be trusted. I don't think even the Beyonder has enough mojo to reality warp Loki into someone who's trustworthy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

*Loki. Loki cannot participate in any conbat, just help in prep, tactics obtaining information and stuff. ( Assume Loki is now trustworthy)

Regular Savage Hulk has beaten Thor several times. As many times as Thor has beaten him. If Savage Hulk can do it, WWH can do it better and faster.

~Sado

Originally posted by Master Court
Beating God? Don't be a douche. Thor's not even a REAL god.

Regular Savage Hulk has beaten Thor several times. As many times as Thor has beaten him. If Savage Hulk can do it, WWH can do it better and faster.

Try to think of one ****ing time.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Try to think of one ****ing time.

You mean of when Hulk's beaten Thor?

Are you f**king kidding?

Hulk 2001 annual. Hulk beat Thor into a CRATER and didn't even know if Thor were still alive or not. And in Thor #something or other, Hulk beat Thor to the ground and made him lose track of Mjolnir. In fact, if it weren't for Mjolnir, Thor would lose MOST of the time against Hulk.

That's Savage Hulk. This is WORLD WAR HULK, who is, by CANON definition, much stronger than regular Savage Hulk.

DAMMIT, BOY, it's called COMMON SENSE.

Try to have some!

Hulk 2001 annual. Hulk beat Thor into a CRATER and didn't even know if Thor were still alive or not.

And in Thor #something or other, Hulk beat Thor to the ground and made him lose track of Mjolnir. In fact, if it weren't for Mjolnir, Thor would lose MOST of the time against Hulk.

That's Savage Hulk. This is WORLD WAR HULK, who is, by CANON definition, much stronger than regular Savage Hulk.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
incidently this was RIGHT AFTER thor knocked him out cold with one lightning strike. Hulk only managed to do what little he did because thor was carrying his unconscious butt through a portal at the time when hulk woke up and blindside thor and kept pummeling him.............only for thor to get right back and challenge hulk. a challenge that the hulk did not accept.

post scans please. i've read every single fight thor and hulk had and i don't remember this one.
you mean how he hulk begged thor to throw the hammer away right?

about the only thing that's true in your post.

~Sado

I never said Thor's never beaten Hulk. I said Hulk's beaten Thor before. And that IS true. Decisively. Whether it's a round or the whole fight, Hulk's beaten Thor. Yeah, Thor got "right" back up. Sure. He STRUGGLED to get back up. Just because he's brave and proud and challenged Hulk doesn't mean he didn't just did manhandled. The point is, Hulk pummeled him into the ground. That IS true. My very truthful point was that Hulk can physically contend with Thor. Thor HIMSELF stated, truthfully, that Hulk is stronger than him and probably stronger than any mortal ever. Thor's own words.

And this "Thor was holding back" shit is really stupid. He's not Superman. Thor doesn't hold back against guys like Hulk. Would you hold back against someone you know is stronger than you? And in their earlier days, they were usually trying to kill each other. Incidentally, Superman also cut loose against Prof Hulk. Superman's own words.

You feel me? Unlike some people around here, I don't go around saying whatever. Thor and Superman have BOTH noted how powerful Hulk is, strength and durability respectively.

Side note. I dug around in my closet and found the other issue I referenced. It was actually a Namor comic, but had a Hulk/Thor fight in it. Hulk slugs Thor so hard that he drops his hammer and puts Thor on the ground. I've always considered that a feat. You know how hard hands can grip? But Hulk, in an average assault, rattles Thor so hard he drops his hammer. A moment later, Thor coldcocks Hulk and gets his hammer back. They talk, but Hulk is angry and doesn't want to hear it. He leaves. But nevermind. I always just thought that little detail was kinda cool, considering Thor's hammer is basically an extension of himself. Although, Hulk's made Thor drop his hammer more than once, so it's really not that special anymore.

So, digressing to the actual point of this thread; Savage Hulk has either beaten or went the distance with the likes of Superman, Thor, Sentry, Gladiator, Hercules, various other "gods". And that's Savage Hulk.

Therefore, WWHulk, in my very logical opinion, would beat that dude's list of Superman-level-or-less people. So WWH would conquer DC Earth pretty easily with these stips. But, like I said before, not the DC Universe.

Another side-note; I like Hulk better than Thor, but doesn't mean I don't like Thor. I've never said Thor's a jobber, so unbunch your panties.

^ Yeah its vs DC earth not universe.

Originally posted by Master Court
You mean of when Hulk's beaten Thor?

Are you f**king kidding?

Hulk 2001 annual. Hulk beat Thor into a CRATER and didn't even know if Thor were still alive or not. And in Thor #something or other, Hulk beat Thor to the ground and made him lose track of Mjolnir. In fact, if it weren't for Mjolnir, Thor would lose MOST of the time against Hulk.

That's Savage Hulk. This is WORLD WAR HULK, who is, by CANON definition, much stronger than regular Savage Hulk.

lmfao, are you ****ing stupid or what?

Thor was CARRYING Banner, and then he suddenly jumped Thor after transforming. Then Thor proceeded to KNOCK HULK THE **** OUT.

Originally posted by Master Court
I never said Thor's never beaten Hulk. I said Hulk's beaten Thor before. And that IS true. Decisively. Whether it's a round or the whole fight, Hulk's beaten Thor. Yeah, Thor got "right" back up. Sure. He STRUGGLED to get back up. Just because he's brave and proud and challenged Hulk doesn't mean he didn't just did manhandled. The point is, Hulk pummeled him into the ground. That IS true. My very truthful point was that Hulk can physically contend with Thor. Thor HIMSELF stated, truthfully, that Hulk is stronger than him and probably stronger than any mortal ever. Thor's own words.

And this "Thor was holding back" shit is really stupid. He's not Superman. Thor doesn't hold back against guys like Hulk. Would you hold back against someone you know is stronger than you? And in their earlier days, they were usually trying to kill each other. Incidentally, Superman also cut loose against Prof Hulk. Superman's own words.

Listen to yourself man, that's just pathetic.

First of all, part of the reason why Jake always complained about Tarene, was because she didn't hold back when on earth. Yeah, try reading some comics retard. Version 2, it's all there.

Secondly, Hulk has NEVER, EVER, EVER won a fight against Thor. Punching someone doesn't mean you've won the fight, not in the least. And you're basically disputing points that no one has made. No one ever claimed that Thor was physically stronger than the Hulk, they claimed that Thor would beat the shit out of him. Which he has, practically every time they have fought. Half those battles have been SANS Mjolnir, and Hulk still hasn't been able to fish out a single victory.

So yeah, if you wanna hang on to a single incident where Hulk attacked Thor, when he was CARRYING HIM, and then lost right after that, sure. But I'm going to have to call the mods.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lmfao, are you ****ing stupid or what?

Thor was CARRYING Banner, and then he suddenly jumped Thor after transforming. Then Thor proceeded to KNOCK HULK THE **** OUT.

Listen to yourself man, that's just pathetic.

First of all, part of the reason why Jake always complained about Tarene, was because she didn't hold back when on earth. Yeah, try reading some comics retard. Version 2, it's all there.

Secondly, Hulk has NEVER, EVER, EVER won a fight against Thor. Punching someone doesn't mean you've won the fight, not in the least. And you're basically disputing points that no one has made. No one ever claimed that Thor was physically stronger than the Hulk, they claimed that Thor would beat the shit out of him. Which he has, practically every time they have fought. Half those battles have been SANS Mjolnir, and Hulk still hasn't been able to fish out a single victory.

So yeah, if you wanna hang on to a single incident where Hulk attacked Thor, when he was CARRYING HIM, and then lost right after that, sure. But I'm going to have to call the mods.

Yeah dumbass. You just said the same damn thing I said.

I never said Hulk has beaten Thor in an entire fight, but he has won rounds. And he HAS. The only point I was making was that he can physically CONTEND with Thor. You f**king pathetic dumbass. You think a normal human could beat Thor into a crater simply because it was a sucker punch? No, dumbass. Sucker punch or not, it takes god-level strength to flatten Thor into a pit. Dumbass. Also, Thor ALWAYS has Mjolnir. Just because he loses it mid-fight doesn't count as a Mjolnir-less fight. I didn't say no-hammer means no god-strength, dumbass. I'm sick of debating with people like you, who take everything I don't add in a disclaimer as a way of arguing you're dead-end debates just because you worship the character.

Side note; Thor didn't beat Hulk after Hulk hammered him into the ground. Hulk left after that. That means no victory either way.

Look, dumbass, I wholeheartedly agree Thor CAN beat Hulk. All I argue is that it's NOT handsdown, and it never HAS been hands down in all their history, you f**king miserable dumbass.

Lastly, don't use the word "retard" you f**king dumbass. It's mean and evil. I don't know anyone mentally retarded, but some people on this forum might. It's a very cruel word to use. You use that word again, and I'll a**f**k your mother and send you pictures you motherf**king insensitive dumbass piece of s**t. You f**king lowlife.

Originally posted by Master Court
Beating God? Don't be a douche. Thor's not even a REAL god.

Regular Savage Hulk has beaten Thor several times. As many times as Thor has beaten him. If Savage Hulk can do it, WWH can do it better and faster.

This "SHOULD NOT" shit is illogical. It's CANON that Hulk can contend with Thor. Like it or not, it can't be "bad writing" if it's a consistent showing within continuity that Hulk goes toe-to-toe with Thor, even when Thor has decided to kill Hulk. WWH would eat him.

I'll spell it out. It's C-A-N-O-N that Hulk has even withstood, with relative ease, a blast from Galactus(of course he can't beat him, but it's a feat that he withstood the blast). Punches from the planet-busting Gladiator. Black holes. Etc. Look, for f**k's sake, we all know Hulk's feats. There's no evidence to show Hulk SHOULDN'T be able to contend with Thor. It should be(but sadly isn't) considered common knowledge that if Savage Hulk can go toe-to-toe with someone, WWH can BEAT them. WWH can beat anyone on your list.

Regular Savage Hulk is also a huge challenge for anyone on that list. In one of the Marvel/DC crossovers, Superman noted that it took everything he had to knock Hulk out. It wasn't even Savage Hulk. It was a weaker Hulk. If Superman has trouble with someone, that means that that someone can beat anyone LESS than Superman. Like everyone else on your list. You keeping up?

If Superman => Foe, and Superman > Rest of list, then Foe => Rest of list. That Foe would be Hulk. A WEAKER Hulk. Not even standard. Standard Hulk would be equal to the rest of the list. Now here, in this thread, we're talking about a SUPERIOR Hulk.

And finally, again, they're COMICS. BATMAN isn't even possible in real life. In comics, if it's canon, it's possible. Hulk's anger and power ARE limitless. Superman IS an alien. Flash IS faster than light. Powergirl's knockers ARE real. Get it? Do ya? It's not opinion if it's canon. It's FACT, dammit, FACT! Otherwise, Batman breaks a leg dropping from a balcony, Superman's NOT a Kryptonian, Flash runs at twelve miles an hour, nobody flies, and Powergirl's knockers are FAKE!

Originally posted by Master Court
Yeah dumbass. You just said the same damn thing I said.

I never said Hulk has beaten Thor in an entire fight, but he has won rounds. And he HAS. The only point I was making was that he can physically CONTEND with Thor. You f**king pathetic dumbass. You think a normal human could beat Thor into a crater simply because it was a sucker punch? No, dumbass. Sucker punch or not, it takes god-level strength to flatten Thor into a pit. Dumbass. Also, Thor ALWAYS has Mjolnir. Just because he loses it mid-fight doesn't count as a Mjolnir-less fight. I didn't say no-hammer means no god-strength, dumbass. I'm sick of debating with people like you, who take everything I don't add in a disclaimer as a way of arguing you're dead-end debates just because you worship the character.

Side note; Thor didn't beat Hulk after Hulk hammered him into the ground. Hulk left after that. That means no victory either way.

Look, dumbass, I wholeheartedly agree Thor CAN beat Hulk. All I argue is that it's NOT handsdown, and it never HAS been hands down in all their history, you f**king miserable dumbass.

Lastly, don't use the word "retard" you f**king dumbass. It's mean and evil. I don't know anyone mentally retarded, but some people on this forum might. It's a very cruel word to use. You use that word again, and I'll a**f**k your mother and send you pictures you motherf**king insensitive dumbass piece of s**t. You f**king lowlife.

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Whatever issues you have with the mirror, that's your battle. Don't quote me when trying to solve them however haw-som

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Whatever issues you have with the mirror, that's your battle. Don't quote me when trying to solve them however haw-som

WTF are you talking about?

Did we agree on something that you refuse to admit to?

Just for your benefit, here are the arguments I'm making;

Savage Hulk = Thor physically, but not overall powerwise
If Savage Hulk = Thor, WWHulk > Thor(except now that he's King Thor)
Savage Hulk has beaten Thor up a few times
WWHulk is powerful enough to destroy Earth with mere footsteps
Hulk's stronger than Thor, which actually HAS been debated
Thor has never BEATEN Hulk unconscious without his lightning and/or hammer
"Retard" is a shitty word to use and I'll kill your dog if you use it again
And, again, I never said Hulk DIDN'T coldcock Thor. But coldcocking doesn't work if you're not STRONG enough. My point was that it's physically POSSIBLE for Hulk to knock Thor out. Which it's proven to be. Hulk CONTENDS with Thor. That's my point.

If you love Thor, that's fine. I understand. But he doesn't "pwn" Hulk. That's my argument. He never HAS "pwned" Hulk. That's my argument. And it's true. Just because you like Thor and claim PIS, doesn't change the facts. Thor has never decisively beaten Hulk.

Hulk is a physical threat to Thor. And it's canon that he is. That's my argument. What doesn't compute?

It's just pissing me off because I'm trying to be diplomatic and you're being sooo pro-Thor that it's impeding the progress of the actual debate in question.

I'm cool. So be cool. You like Thor? Cool. I like Hulk. That's cool, too. Just be cool.

Besides, why would Thor help DC anyway? My only point in THIS thread was that if Thor admits Hulk is stronger than he, than Hulk's stronger than Superman and all his underlings. Not more POWERFUL, just physically stronger.

Originally posted by Master Court
WTF are you talking about?

Did we agree on something that you refuse to admit to?

Just for your benefit, here are the arguments I'm making;

Savage Hulk = Thor physically, but not overall powerwise
If Savage Hulk = Thor, WWHulk > Thor(except now that he's King Thor)
Savage Hulk has beaten Thor up a few times
WWHulk is powerful enough to destroy Earth with mere footsteps
Hulk's stronger than Thor, which actually HAS been debated
Thor has never BEATEN Hulk unconscious without his lightning and/or hammer
"Retard" is a shitty word to use and I'll kill your dog if you use it again
And, again, I never said Hulk DIDN'T coldcock Thor. But coldcocking doesn't work if you're not STRONG enough. My point was that it's physically POSSIBLE for Hulk to knock Thor out. Which it's proven to be. Hulk CONTENDS with Thor. That's my point.

If you love Thor, that's fine. I understand. But he doesn't "pwn" Hulk. That's my argument. He never HAS "pwned" Hulk. That's my argument. And it's true. Just because you like Thor and claim PIS, doesn't change the facts. Thor has never decisively beaten Hulk.

Hulk is a physical threat to Thor. And it's canon that he is. That's my argument. What doesn't compute?

I'm sorry, but you seem to have some issues. I'll try to assist you in working these out.

- Savage Hulk and Thor stalemate when they fight physically.
- If Thor uses mjolnir or any kind of other power, Hulk loses.
- WWH would eventually win over Thor if they fought physically.
- If Thor uses mjolnir or any kind of other power, WWH loses.
- Even if it's difficult for your brain to comprehend, the reason why Thor doesn't use any kind of energy attack against the Hulk, is not because he can't, but because he chooses not to.

Simple, really. A bit like yourself.