Originally posted by TricksterPriestNo argument on Superman's physical durability, excluding magical vulnerability. I'm just saying Wonderwoman is more durable against magic flame than Superman is. It's a recognition of his vulnerability to magic, not an assessment of his overall physical durability. And those magic upgrades are KMC myth. We've discussed them before:
Superman has higher durability than most of the people on that list to begin with. And 2nd, I'm quite sure he's had at least two upgrades to his magic resistance. He took down Arion pretty easily.......
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And as far as I know, Zatanna only taught Superman how to recognize and resist magical attempts to subvert his will in Superman #662. And Phantom Stranger's gift to Superman in Superman Annual #13 was temporary. Superman's own thought captions refer to the protection as protecting him for the time being and Arion also states that if he was at full power, the enchantment would be worthless. I've never seen Superman resisting magic after his Arion fight nor see Superman's S-shield glow after being attacked by magic after this fight. And I've never seen this magical boost even referenced after this fight. Indeed, he was waylaid by magic-K in the more recent Superman/Batman #46 and Phantom Stranger was present in that issue as well. Where was this so-called magic resistance then? Phantom Stranger's gift has never been depicted nor mentioned again and there's current evidence against Superman having it.
the quickest, guaranteed way for Team 2 to +stomp+ this match is if Surfer decides to merge with Superman - like he did with Skaar.
no way is either BRB or Thor powerful enough to take out or even significantly harm someone that durable. on top of that, because Super Surfer has all of SS' PC powers, no bfr possible.
instead, SuperSurfer grabs BRB by the throat and squeezes the life out of him, whilst orbiting a slow and bewildered Thor at multiples of C.
Surfer's shown himself easily capable of dodging mjolnir and of generally evading attacks by characters who are themselves FTL or close as (Deathurge and Nova for 2).
the best thing about it is, Surfer wouldn't take a second to do it either.
imo, depending on what technique Surfer chooses, it could be a total 10/10 stomp for Team 2.
Originally posted by janus77
the quickest, guaranteed way for Team 2 to +stomp+ this match is if Surfer decides to merge with Superman - like he did with Skaar.no way is either BRB or Thor powerful enough to take out or even significantly harm someone that durable. on top of that, because Super Surfer has all of SS' PC powers, no bfr possible.
instead, SuperSurfer grabs BRB by the throat and squeezes the life out of him, whilst orbiting a slow and bewildered Thor at multiples of C.
Surfer's shown himself easily capable of dodging mjolnir and of generally evading attacks by characters who are themselves FTL or close as (Deathurge and Nova for 2).
the best thing about it is, Surfer wouldn't take a second to do it either.
imo, depending on what technique Surfer chooses, it could be a total 10/10 stomp for Team 2.
I would love to see them merge then team 1 wins 10/10 Thor or Beta teleports the 3 of them into a red star and beat super surfer to death.
Thor has shown to be more then a match for surfer when he doesn't hold back. Supes can be taken out fast thru bfr team 1 wins
While members can nit pick how they stand individually. It does not hide the fact, that the Hammer brothers have and will work together efficiently. While the fantasy tag team, would be simply that; a fantasy team up. Now couple Supermans vulnerability to magically infused force. And you have a clear edge in team 1 has over team 2. Thus wining more often then not.
lol, remember it's Surfer's PC, glaze and all... Red Sun would do nothing but amp up Surfer (insanely dangerous thing for Thor/BRB to do).
as for Thor being more than a match, other than when Surfer was depowered and cut off from cosmic energies, I don't think Thor's figured as a challenge. hell, Thor's not even strong enough to endure a barrage from Hulk, something that Surfer's taken without even flinching.
also, bfr-ing SuperSurfer to the heart of a red sun wouldn't work for another - equally elementary - reason. the PC would allow SuperSurfer to bfr them back instantly. Surfer's powers and perception seem to work far faster than Thor's or BRB's. so Surfer would get the jump on them, not the other way around.
further, Surfer could easily depower BRB, given that he can manipulate the energies that power him. Surfer did synthesise his mallet for him, after all.
Originally posted by janus77
lol, remember it's Surfer's PC, glaze and all... Red Sun would do nothing but amp up Surfer (insanely dangerous thing for Thor/BRB to do).as for Thor being more than a match, other than when Surfer was depowered and cut off from cosmic energies, I don't think Thor's figured as a challenge. hell, Thor's not even strong enough to endure a barrage from Hulk, something that Surfer's taken without even flinching.
also, bfr-ing SuperSurfer to the heart of a red sun wouldn't work for another - equally elementary - reason. the PC would allow SuperSurfer to bfr them back instantly. Surfer's powers and perception seem to work far faster than Thor's or BRB's. so Surfer would get the jump on them, not the other way around.
further, Surfer could easily depower BRB, given that he can manipulate the energies that power him. Surfer did synthesise his mallet for him, after all.
A merger of the 2 would gain the strenghts and weakness ask amazo.
Thor not being able to take the hulk lol well you don't now thor.
Thor not holding back laid out the surfer with ease.
Thor never had a problem tagging surfer before nor will he have one now. As soon as surfer get in range of the red sun he will be crimpled by the red rad. just like amazo
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I tried telling batdude that, but he didn't want to listen.
No argument on Superman's physical durability, excluding magical vulnerability. I'm just saying Wonderwoman is more durable against magic flame than Superman is. It's a recognition of his vulnerability to magic, not an assessment of his overall physical durability. And those magic upgrades are KMC myth. We've discussed them before: