One Year On ...

Unless it was lowered.

To Indy Grade B+

hehehe

Yes....

As in 'B+ullshit'. 😛

😂

Its tone was as removed from Indy movieness as T3 was from dark and gritty feeling of the 1st movie, with its "humour for all the family(TM)" scenes with Elton John sunglasses etc.

It started from the moment of the "Bad to the bone" bit on T2 and sucked forth from there.

And thats similar to the big problem with Indy IV.

Bleakness is one of the first Terminators flaws, imo. As bad as the future may be, it's never a total dystopia.

It's not FLAW, it's a choice. One I like. Same as in Blade Runner for instance, or Dark City and several other great films.

Im talking about the tone of the 1984 stuff too.

There was a nightmarish yet beautiful portrayal of what had to be a threatening landscape. Like with NY in the movie 'The Warriors'.
The Terminator was a fearsome, nightmarish machine of death in the 1st movie.

Cameron the made the mistake of literally making that machine a laughing stock with that musical sequence.
And then killed the Terminator's fearsomeness by trying to bring too much humanity (Effectively making the T-800 'more Arnie than Machine'😉 to it.

And the what part of living in a post nuclear holocaust with machines putting all humans in concentration camps would be UNbleak, Will..?

And still, T2 was by far superior to T3.

No argument there.

Many Many suckances there.

The same grievous error as the intro scene in T2 but squared, and the shitness of the garage shop scene was something Ive tried to block out for the good of the movie.

Still, there's the great scene in the hospital between Sarah and Arnie, the nuclear blast scenes. Many redeeming factors IMHO.

For sure, it wasnt garbage.... but it was just like a step in the direction that was typified by T3, that makes T1 still my favorite.

It's very good. The thing that gets me is that Arnie was in a stage where he didn't wanna play baddies anymore.

Well I guess 'baddie' is a relative term is what Cameron tried to imply in the next movie. Good 'morals and machines' point. But the fewer deaths/lighter tone detracted somewhat, for me.

That's what I meant. Arnie went soft, had mvoiebabies and stuff and decided to kill less... ergo so did T2.

The PUSSY...!!!!!

Quite and then he went and did Batman and Robin....

Well that just about puts it in perspective, doesnt it...?

That was his 'concrete fence'.

So when his career was over he went into politics.