Waterboarding

I never said it wasn't torture. It simply isn't tearing out finger nails or placing electrodes on the testicles or threatening the subjects children and family.

yeah, it's not as graphic but is actually potentially more life threatening

Being waterboarded is like going to a water park.

Those terrorist should be thanking us, even in prison we give them a taste of the great American life.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
yeah, it's not as graphic but is actually potentially more life threatening

Isn't there some detainee that was supposedly waterboarded 150+ times? If so, I highly doubt it's life threatening.

The purpose is to make you feel like you're drowning, when you're actually not, it's a fear tactic. Not saying it's okay, as torture is torture, but it isn't like hanging someone from their wrist and then beating them until the shoulders break or become dislodged, dripping of corrosives on bare skin, hot pokers etc.

Also, if any other country had done this exact same time, the [feigned] outrage would be significantly less. America is just the great target to shit on these many past years.

other than perhaps, being burnt alive, drowning is the worst fealing there is, physically atleast. your alveoli actually burst, trying to extract the oxygen after a while.

I heard drowning was peaceful.

Are you telling me that my television is wrong?

^my no no........................... drowning can only be peaceful when you are delerious from the influx of sensations or when your pain receptors stop functioning since they are not doing u any good in warning, or due to the lack of oxygen.

in that sense, any form of death can be peaceful/delerious.

It's one of those things that doesn't seem as bad, but is worse. Kinda like how boxing is actually more dangerous than MMA.

just ask christopher hitchins, torture denying idiots.

Torture: # anguish: extreme mental distress

Thousands of inmates in our prison systems go through this everyday..why does nobody care about that torture going on?

I know if I was out one night and had a few beers and got pulled over and arrested for a DUI, I would feel a ton of mental anguish and distress over the situation the police are putting me in. Should I not be arrested then because it is considered torture?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^my no no........................... drowning can only be peaceful when you are delerious from the influx of sensations or when your pain receptors stop functioning since they are not doing u any good in warning, or due to the lack of oxygen.

in that sense, any form of death can be peaceful/delerious.

Physiologically, drowning actually has relatively little to do with lack of oxygen. It's actually the build up of carbon dioxide in the blood that causes the problem. This is because the breathing reflex is linked to a vastly greater extent to blood CO2 than blood 02 levels.

But you're right that it's not peacful. If you drown while submerged then the way it occurs is that once your body reaches the breathing reflex break point pressure for CO2 of 55mgHg then you breath in under water but only a tiny amount of water. This causes your airway to close rapidly in order to protect your lung but it also causes you to vomit into your mouth (but not into the water). You then hold this in for a moment before breathing your own vomit into your lungs (this is what causes the "foam" in the lungs that is often the case with drowning victims.

Strangely, it's better if you drown in salt water than fresh. This is because the electrolytes (dissolved salts) in salt water more closely match those of the bodies cells and so causes less damage by maintaining those levels meaning less chance of brain damage after you recieve CPR.

Originally posted by KidRock
Torture: # anguish: extreme mental distress

Thousands of inmates in our prison systems go through this everyday..why does nobody care about that torture going on?

I know if I was out one night and had a few beers and got pulled over and arrested for a DUI, I would feel a ton of mental anguish and distress over the situation the police are putting me in. Should I not be arrested then because it is considered torture?

two wrongs dont make a right. and you shud be arrested, for not having the ability to understand the words you are uttering. rationalising torture, what a truly disgusting thing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
two wrongs dont make a right. and you shud be arrested, for not having the ability to understand the words you are uttering. rationalising torture, what a truly disgusting thing.

Oh okay,

Anyway...

Torture: # anguish: extreme mental distress

Thousands of inmates in our prison systems go through this everyday..why does nobody care about that torture going on?

I know if I was out one night and had a few beers and got pulled over and arrested for a DUI, I would feel a ton of mental anguish and distress over the situation the police are putting me in. Should I not be arrested then because it is considered torture?

Originally posted by jaden101
Physiologically, drowning actually has relatively little to do with lack of oxygen. It's actually the build up of carbon dioxide in the blood that causes the problem. This is because the breathing reflex is linked to a vastly greater extent to blood CO2 than blood 02 levels.

But you're right that it's not peacful. If you drown while submerged then the way it occurs is that once your body reaches the breathing reflex break point pressure for CO2 of 55mgHg then you breath in under water but only a tiny amount of water. This causes your airway to close rapidly in order to protect your lung but it also causes you to vomit into your mouth (but not into the water). You then hold this in for a moment before breathing your own vomit into your lungs (this is what causes the "foam" in the lungs that is often the case with drowning victims.

Strangely, it's better if you drown in salt water than fresh. This is because the electrolytes (dissolved salts) in salt water more closely match those of the bodies cells and so causes less damage by maintaining those levels meaning less chance of brain damage after you recieve CPR.

i actually remembered the first part. it was sumthing our biology teacher once told us.

and your forgetting the part where alveoli have been known to burst.

Originally posted by KidRock
Oh okay,

Anyway...

Torture: # anguish: extreme mental distress

Thousands of inmates in our prison systems go through this everyday..why does nobody care about that torture going on?

I know if I was out one night and had a few beers and got pulled over and arrested for a DUI, I would feel a ton of mental anguish and distress over the situation the police are putting me in. Should I not be arrested then because it is considered torture?

your inability to differentiate the mental anguish of sum 1 who is arrested for a night, and sum1 who is being suffocated by water pooling in their lungs, is probably representative of your IQ. that and forgetting the PHYSICAL anguish involved. i suppose ud rather have your mother or children or girlfriend waterboarded, then have then be arrested by the police.

what a fn moron.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your inability to differentiate the mental anguish of sum 1 who is arrested for a night, and sum1 who is being suffocated by water pooling in their lungs, is probably representative of your IQ. that and forgetting the PHYSICAL anguish involved. i suppose ud rather have your mother or children or girlfriend waterboarded, then have then be arrested by the police.

what a fn moron.

Feel free to use the inmates example then. Prison inmates can be raped daily, spat on, beatin up, stabbed, threatened..everyday for the rest of their lives.

Is that mental anguish and physical anguish?

Oh and:

Originally posted by BackFire
Ditch the personal attacks, please.

silly little kiddy.

Originally posted by KidRock
Feel free to use the inmates example then. Prison inmates can be raped daily, spat on, beatin up, stabbed, threatened..everyday for the rest of their lives.

Is that mental anguish and physical anguish?

Oh and:

silly little kiddy.

seriously, what the **** is wrong with your head?!

two wrongs do NOT make a right, and if u had a brain, ud see that the example you gave IS torture/

beating is TORTURE and thus ILLEGAL. rape is by default ILLEGAL and can be used as a form of torture and often IS classified under torture. the fact that people ARE tortured in social situations{and btw, if u read up on any lawbook, ul realise that even if a blind eye is turned on inmated going through what u describe, it is STILL illegal, in the legal sense} does NOT mean that it can be used to rationalise the use of other torture techniques like waterboarding.

if the things u mentioned were legal to begin with, you cud POSSIBLY set a presidence and argue that waterboarding should not be made illegal. as it stands, your falling over your own words, making a BS argument which even u dont understand on account of it being so ridiculously inconcistant.

none of that MATTERS because it wont change the fact that you are trying to RATIONALISE torture and that in itself is disgusting. not to mention, your motivations are crystal clear.

as for that last little snippet, i wud suggest u disest from the ad hominem attacks unless u wanna find sumthing to really complain about.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
seriously, what the **** is wrong with your head?!

two wrongs do NOT make a right, and if u had a brain, ud see that the example you gave IS torture/

beating is TORTURE and thus ILLEGAL. rape is by default ILLEGAL and can be used as a form of torture and often IS classified under torture. the fact that people ARE tortured in social situations{and btw, if u read up on any lawbook, ul realise that even if a blind eye is turned on inmated going through what u describe, it is STILL illegal, in the legal sense} does NOT mean that it can be used to rationalise the use of other torture techniques like waterboarding.

if the things u mentioned were legal to begin with, you cud POSSIBLY set a presidence and argue that waterboarding should not be made illegal. as it stands, your falling over your own words, making a BS argument which even u dont understand on account of it being so ridiculously inconcistant.

none of that MATTERS because it wont change the fact that you are trying to RATIONALISE torture and that in itself is disgusting. not to mention, your motivations are crystal clear.

The simple thought of knowing you will be locked up for life in a small 6x8 cell can cause a great deal of anguish..yet we still do it, dont we?

Fact is inmates are being tortured everyday in our prisons. Illegal or not, we shouldn't allow these inmates to be tortured, and if we cannot stop it they should be released..unless you're all for keeping these people locked up and continuing to let them be tortured?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

as for that last little snippet, i wud suggest u disest from the ad hominem attacks unless u wanna find sumthing to really complain about.

No idea what you said, disest is not a word. Neither is sumthing for that matter. Go read a dictionary for a few days.

So are you in support of blatant, legal, state sanctioned torture in order to coerce "intelligence", coerce confessions, and execute people? Maybe redefine cruel and unusual so that it's meaningless? I mean less than 100 years ago they still used a Catherine Wheel in a couple of cases in Indiana.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
So are you in support of blatant, legal, state sanctioned torture in order to coerce "intelligence", coerce confessions, and execute people? Maybe redefine cruel and unusual so that it's meaningless? I mean less than 100 years ago they still used a Catherine Wheel in a couple of cases in Indiana.

My point is we need to figure out what defines torture. If it is simply ANYTHING that causes mental or physical anguish then we better revamp our entire corrections system.

I just want to know what we can and cannot consider torture. If waterboarding is considered torture then what comes next? Will the terrorists being interrogated claim that the interrogators are yelling too loud at them and hurting their ear drums, that this is torture and can no longer be done?