Originally posted by Darth RexMarek would have too if Sidious actually went all out on him. In fact he did lose. He released everything he had in him and it wasn't enough.
Yoda lost to sidious kind of
Marek was going to beat sidious
Yoda wouldn't eat his ass up
If it was just a lightsaber duel, he would.
It would be close it could go either way.Actually i would give it to Yoda. Yoda and Marek are pretty close in the force, but Yoda is far greater in sabers.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Lightsaber- Yoda would eat his ass up.
I like Yoda, but he's never actually 'won' a single duel that we've seen.
Dooku- escaped both times.
Sidious- draw.
Galen has won at least 7 duels-
Rahm Kota.
Kazdan Paratus
Shaak Ti
Maris Brood
Darth Vader
2 Shadow Guards (maybe more)
To say nothing of his numerous training sessions with PROXY.
Even Yoda isn't beating him effortlessly.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
I like Yoda, but he's never actually 'won' a single duel that we've seen.
Meaning? You have to win a lot of duels to prove you're good? Yoda has quotes backing up his greatness.
How many duels did Revan win? How many people would put him in the top 5 of Sith Lords ...
Dooku- escaped both times.Sidious- draw.
Yup, Dooku had to run twice because Yoda was better. Yoda stalemated the most powerful Sith Lord ever.
Galen has won at least 7 duels-
Rahm Kota.
Kazdan Paratus
Shaak Ti
Maris Brood
Darth Vader
2 Shadow Guards (maybe more)
Yoda is a pacifist (most of the time). Galen HAD to fight these guys, who Yoda would have no problem with.
To say nothing of his numerous training sessions with PROXY.
Numerous training sessions with proxy? There's like 800 years of Yoda that we haven't seen yet, I'm betting he had at least a few training sessions with other powerful Jedi. Plus, we know practically everything about Marek.
Even Yoda isn't beating him effortlessly.
Maybe not, but you're not helping him.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Meaning? You have to win a lot of duels to prove you're good? Yoda has quotes backing up his greatness.
Meaning, actual facts are worth more than hyperbole. For example, the 10-Eyed Man has quotes backing up his greatness (Batman said he was the most dangerous man alive), but his actual prowess in the comics indicates otherwise.
You want to prove he'd win a fight, you need something more real than "Batman said he was the most dangerous man alive." Actions speak louder than words.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
How many duels did Revan win?
At least six.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
How many people would put him in the top 5 of Sith Lords ...
A lot.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Yup, Dooku had to run twice because Yoda was better. Yoda stalemated the most powerful Sith Lord ever.
Hey, not denying Yoda's great. Just saying he hasn't actually 'won' a duel.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Numerous training sessions with proxy? There's like 800 years of Yoda that we haven't seen yet, I'm betting he had at least a few training sessions with other powerful Jedi. Plus, we know practically everything about Marek.
Exactly. We KNOW Marek is good. Again, facts over hyperbole.
Don't forget, even a training match with PROXY was a 'real' fight since PROXY tried to kill him in each one.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Meaning, actual facts are worth more than hyperbole. For example, the 10-Eyed Man has quotes backing up his greatness (Batman said he was the most dangerous man alive), but his actual prowess in the comics indicates otherwise.You want to prove he'd win a fight, you need something more real than "Batman said he was the most dangerous man alive." Actions speak louder than words.
But Batman is a ‘character’. The ‘narrator’ in the ROTS novelization says: “This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known.”
There is a huge difference between a character saying something and the narrator.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
At least six.
Which ones? I can’t think of anyone else except for Darth Malak and maybe Bastila.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Hey, not denying Yoda's great. Just saying he hasn't actually 'won' a duel.
He did win against Dooku, in a way. You don’t have to kill someone or bring them to their knees to ‘win’.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Exactly. We KNOW Marek is good. Again, facts over hyperbole.Don't forget, even a training match with PROXY was a 'real' fight since PROXY tried to kill him in each one.
And we know Yoda is better. Because of ‘facts’. You don’t have to beat many others who are clearly weaker than you to prove you’re better. He could’ve easily finished off Assaj Ventress in the first episode of the Clone Wars before she could even do anything, but he just talked enough so she had time to run.
Fact is that Yoda has proven less, but the few things he has, like stalemating Sidious are more impressive than anything Galen did.
Could chilled monkey be one of Nebaris's accounts? I shall command REX to go on the hunt.
What is it with people throwing out hyperbole to statements they don't like? Interpretation of canon statements isn't up to us; we are not supreme authorities when it comes to... er... "canon law" (I apologize for infringing on Catholicism).
Even if we were to do that, Yoda drove Count Dooku to retreat on Vjun and stalemated Palpatine in actual combat.
To put that into perspective...
Vjun was both a Confederacy stronghold -- Count Dooku mentioned that he commanded military forces that could "even overwhelm [Yoda]" -- as well as an enormously powerful focus point of dark side energies. The book made constant mentions how the Count's power increased under such an environment; Yoda, who is a Jedi, does not enjoy such an extreme power boost.
Despite the fact that Dooku attacked Yoda when Yoda was distracted (Dooku had attempted to hurl a pedestrian to her death; Yoda used the Force to save her), despite the fact that Dooku made a vow or two that he would "enjoy" killing Yoda, despite the fact that Yoda told Dooku that he didn't want to hurt him, despite the fact that on that planet he had the power to drop Ventress by lifting one finger...
Dooku ran.
The narration mentions that he was pouring with sweat and had to put a missile in high orbit in order to haul ass off the planet.
So, basically, Yoda > Dooku (by a lot...).
And who is Dooku? "One of the most respected and powerful Jedi Masters in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Lord of the Sith" with numerous feats to his name.
Yoda is top tier.