Burning Legion trio Vs. Sephiroth

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I see where you're going with this. Arkham. It's not the same.

BT's reasoning: The Lifestream only exists in FF7, therefore anything outside of FF7 would not be affected by anything it could ever do, ever.

My reasoning: Warcraft magic only exists in Warcraft, therefore anything outside of Warcraft would not be affected by anything it could ever do, ever.

See, we are saying Sephiroth was in Warcrafts universe.

If the three big baddies of Warcraft came to the FF7 world, they wouldn't be able to utilise thier magic, because the definition is different.

Is not a versus taking place on neutral ground? Not Azeroth nor whatever planet FF is on. The lifestream is a location-specific power, is it not? Like magicians that use the essence of the Sunwell. Can't be done without the Sunwell.

You can't use the Lifestream to absorb whatever because that particular whatever does not consist of the Lifestream (From my understanding, the Lifestream effects other things like it). This for the same reason that you can't severe the Force of someone that is not from Star Wars in order to take away their powers.

A Warcraft example would be that ... well, there is nothing to compare with those two. Unlike them, Warcraft does not have a universal power like that. They have the Twisting Nether but that's merely a dimension that makes a magician able to cast his spell, or things of the sort. Magicians doesn't use Twisting Nether.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Is not a versus taking place on neutral ground? Not Azeroth nor whatever planet FF is on. The lifestream is a location-specific power, is it not? Like magicians that use the essence of the Sunwell. Can't be done without the Sunwell.

You can't use the Lifestream to absorb whatever because that particular whatever does not consist of the Lifestream (From my understanding, the Lifestream effects other things like it). This for the same reason that you can't severe the Force of someone that is not from Star Wars in order to take away their powers.

A Warcraft example would be that ... well, there is nothing to compare with those two. Unlike them, Warcraft does not have a universal power like that. They have the Twisting Nether but that's merely a dimension that makes a magician able to cast his spell, or things of the sort. Magicians doesn't [b]use Twisting Nether. [/B]

Right, so what you are saying is, because they are not made up of the Lifestream, the Lifestream can't absorb them? I still disagree, as it would break them down into their base components but i'll drop it just because it really doesn't matter.

Allrighty, now so what if Sephiroth were to use Holy, would that destroy those three? (Considering Archimonde was destroyed with a much smaller explosion then Holy is capable of). All that is required to summon Holy was a prayer to the ancients, however Sephiroth hardly has to pray to himself.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
the most powerful being in Final Fantasy

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Allrighty, now so what if Sephiroth were to use Holy, would that destroy those three? (Considering Archimonde was destroyed with a much smaller explosion then Holy is capable of). All that is required to summon Holy was a prayer to the ancients, however Sephiroth hardly has to pray to himself.

The only thing he could even do fast enough is to swing his sword, thats it, no spell in FF is fast enough against most opponents, however against one of these master spellcasters? he has no chance. Apprently in one of the books Archimonde killed an adult dragon with a quick gesture.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Right, so what you are saying is, because they are not made up of the Lifestream, the Lifestream can't absorb them? I still disagree, as it would break them down into their base components but i'll drop it just because it really doesn't matter.

Allrighty, now so what if Sephiroth were to use Holy, would that destroy those three? (Considering Archimonde was destroyed with a much smaller explosion then Holy is capable of). All that is required to summon Holy was a prayer to the ancients, however Sephiroth hardly has to pray to himself.

Don't you ever grow tired of using theories? Sephiroth has never used Lifestream or Holy?

And don't believe what your eyes are telling you in the video where Archimonde dies. It's not some small explosion. It's a highly charged blast of nature, summoned by Malfurion and empowered by the World Tree and the Well of Eternity. It also took time to actually kill him with it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The only thing he could even do fast enough is to swing his sword, thats it, no spell in FF is fast enough against most opponents, however against one of these master spellcasters? he has no chance. Apprently in one of the books Archimonde killed an adult dragon with a quick gesture.

Yes. I think it was during The Demon Soul (Or The Sundering). Archimonde casually slayed an adult blue dragon with a gesture.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The only thing he could even do fast enough is to swing his sword, thats it, no spell in FF is fast enough against most opponents, however against one of these master spellcasters? he has no chance. Apprently in one of the books Archimonde killed an adult dragon with a quick gesture.

No spell you have seen is fast enough. If Sephiroth swung his sword, the result would be Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden split in half (Maybe even Sargeras).

HOLY doesn't have a cast, you pray to the ancients to summon it.

And Sephiroth could create his own Weapon, with less effort.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Don't you ever grow tired of using theories? Sephiroth has never used Lifestream or Holy?

And don't believe what your eyes are telling you in the video where Archimonde dies. It's not some small explosion. It's a highly charged blast of nature, summoned by Malfurion and empowered by the World Tree and the Well of Eternity. It also took time to actually kill him with it.

Unfortunately FF7 games weren't made to showcase Sephiroths power, actually it is all based around him barely trying because of Cloud, otherwise the player wouldn't be able to win.

Negative -Lifestream- coupled with the Knowledge of the Ancients, means he can use every Materia. To use HOLY you pray to the ancients to summon it, however Sephiroth doesn't have to pray to himself.

Whoa, empowered by the World Tree and Well of Eternity, HOLY is powered by The Lifestream. HOLYs power is infinetely more powerful then that weak magical explosion.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Yes. I think it was during The Demon Soul (Or The Sundering). Archimonde casually slayed an adult blue dragon with a gesture.

Sephiroth has casually done everything he has done.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
No spell you have seen is fast enough. If Sephiroth swung his sword, the result would be Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden split in half (Maybe even Sargeras).

HOLY doesn't have a cast, you pray to the ancients to summon it.

And Sephiroth could create his own Weapon, with less effort.

Unfortunately FF7 games weren't made to showcase Sephiroths power, actually it is all based around him barely trying because of Cloud, otherwise the player wouldn't be able to win.

Negative -Lifestream- coupled with the Knowledge of the Ancients, means he can use every Materia. To use HOLY you pray to the ancients to summon it, however Sephiroth doesn't have to pray to himself.

Whoa, empowered by the World Tree and Well of Eternity, HOLY is powered by The Lifestream. HOLYs power is infinetely more powerful then that weak magical explosion.

Sephiroth has casually done everything he has done.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
No spell you have seen is fast enough. If Sephiroth swung his sword, the result would be Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden split in half (Maybe even Sargeras).

HOLY doesn't have a cast, you pray to the ancients to summon it.

And Sephiroth could create his own Weapon, with less effort.

Unfortunately FF7 games weren't made to showcase Sephiroths power, actually it is all based around him barely trying because of Cloud, otherwise the player wouldn't be able to win.

Negative -Lifestream- coupled with the Knowledge of the Ancients, means he can use every Materia. To use HOLY you pray to the ancients to summon it, however Sephiroth doesn't have to pray to himself.

Whoa, empowered by the World Tree and Well of Eternity, HOLY is powered by The Lifestream. HOLYs power is infinetely more powerful then that weak magical explosion.

Sephiroth has casually done everything he has done.

And if either of the Trio used even their weakest spell, the result would be a very dead Sephiroth. Besides, he couldn't even cut through Cloud's sword. Not like they would let Sephiroth survive for more than one second anyway.

Most of their spells don't even have a cast too.

Empowered by the World Tree and the Well of Eternity means much more than you think. You know what happened the last time the Well imploded? The world was quite literally split in half.

What has Holy done apart from failing to destroy a meteor?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Whoa, empowered by the World Tree and Well of Eternity, HOLY is powered by The Lifestream. HOLYs power is infinetely more powerful then that weak magical explosion.

The World Tree held a portion of the dragon aspects. Alexstrasza, Malygos, Nozdormu, Ysera. (3 of them would kill Sephiroth without a yawn. Permanently) The Well of Eternity is an infinite source of power that's created by the Pantheon. How can anything be infinitly more powerful than an infinite source of power?

Since you seem to know so much about the explosion that killed Archimonde, what makes you define it as weak? Please, I want to hear details. Leave nothing out.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Sephiroth has casually done everything he has done.

How did you like the War of the Ancients triology? I always considered Knaak awesome. He brought out the best in some characters (Although kinda made you hate Illidan). I think he did quite so well with Archimonde though, except for that he had him hold back quite a great deal.

I mean, given how you know Sephiroth has done everything Archimonde has done, you must've read the books. I must say that I love Archimonde's battle with Malorne. Unfortunately it was kinda brief, Archimonde not too eager in an elaborate fight. RIP Malorne. But thanks to his death, we got to see Ysera at her worst.

Your wasting your time, K1ll3r knows nothing of Warcraft both the games and ofcourse the lore and furthermore seems to know little about his own character, he is simply inventing his own powers and abilities and saying they will defeat the trio arrayed against Sephiroth despite the fact any one of them could elminate most threats in FF7 by themselves.

From what I understand of K1ll3r, there's no proof at all. Just a trunk full of theories. The splitting them in half part, where does that come from? He cleaved some stone and buildings in AC, but that's not even enough to scratch Archimonde (As already proven in The Sundering).

Sargeras was not even tickled by Alexstrasza and the War of the Ancients heroes when they all combined their might. He barely even noticed the attack. He just felt the touch of something at his ankle.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I mean, given how you know Sephiroth has done everything Archimonde has done, you must've read the books. I must say that I love Archimonde's battle with Malorne. Unfortunately it was kinda brief, Archimonde not too eager in an elaborate fight. RIP Malorne. But thanks to his death, we got to see Ysera at her worst.

Unfortunately, Archimonde pretty much spent all his time during the War of the Ancients with his head up his own ass.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Unfortunately, Archimonde pretty much spent all his time during the War of the Ancients with his head up his own ass.

Pawns is kinda what Archimonde does. They would have won that war, had he been a little more active. Same with their second invasion.

Originally posted by Phanteros
proof of sephiroth splitting them in half? they aren't some weaklings like cloud that sephiroth typically fights

You want me to get proof of Sephiroth splitting beings who don't exist in his universe in half?

Sephiroth has sliced through at LEAST 10 metre thick cannons, made to withstand even the greatest of energy shots, fueled by the lifestream itself which when shot absolutely annhiliated one of the powerful weapons and then continued on to destroy Sephiroths barrier (Although at that point ran out of energy.). And he was a few miles away when he done it, also doing it casually.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
And if either of the Trio used even their weakest spell, the result would be a very dead Sephiroth. Besides, he couldn't even cut through Cloud's sword. Not like they would let Sephiroth survive for more than one second anyway.

Most of their spells don't even have a cast too.

Empowered by the World Tree and the Well of Eternity means much more than you think. You know what happened the last time the Well imploded? The world was quite literally split in half.

What has Holy done apart from failing to destroy a meteor?

If Sephiroth willed it, Clouds sword would break like *snap*.

Interesting.

HOLY was capable of destroying the world, but was created to 'make all the things threatening the planet to go away'.

It never failed to destroy meteor, it's act of destroying meteor was going to destroy the planet. (Meteor was to close, and HOLY was going to have the opposite affect.)

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The World Tree held a portion of the dragon aspects. Alexstrasza, Malygos, Nozdormu, Ysera. (3 of them would kill Sephiroth without a yawn. Permanently) The Well of Eternity is an infinite source of power that's created by the Pantheon. How can anything be infinitly more powerful than an infinite source of power?

Since you seem to know so much about the explosion that killed Archimonde, what makes you define it as weak? Please, I want to hear details. Leave nothing out.

How did you like the War of the Ancients triology? I always considered Knaak awesome. He brought out the best in some characters (Although kinda made you hate Illidan). I think he did quite so well with Archimonde though, except for that he had him hold back quite a great deal.

I mean, given how you know Sephiroth has done everything Archimonde has done, you must've read the books. I must say that I love Archimonde's battle with Malorne. Unfortunately it was kinda brief, Archimonde not too eager in an elaborate fight. RIP Malorne. But thanks to his death, we got to see Ysera at her worst.

So you are telling me, that magical attack (The one called upon by Malfurion), was using every bit of power in the Well of Eternity and The World Tree?

It was weak, because of it's effects, yes it did do a fairly big explosion, but there was nothing displaying it had the power of which you stated it has although it was probably capable of such an attack. (Which apparently would have at LEAST split the world apart.)

Unfortunately I didn't gain enough interest in Warcraft to buy the books, I was going to, however when I killed Illidan, who was fairly easy compared to other bosses I stopped caring about the lore.

I never said Sephiroth had done everything Archimonde had done, I meant "Everything Sephiroth done, he done casually.".

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your wasting your time, K1ll3r knows nothing of Warcraft both the games and ofcourse the lore and furthermore seems to know little about his own character, he is simply inventing his own powers and abilities and saying they will defeat the trio arrayed against Sephiroth despite the fact any one of them could elminate most threats in FF7 by themselves.

I wouldn't say nothing, I know a lot more then most people do.

Inventing what power and abilities? He has the Negative Lifestream, KoTA, Jenova plus his own. All of which, we haven't seen the full potential of.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
From what I understand of K1ll3r, there's no proof at all. Just a trunk full of theories. The splitting them in half part, where does that come from? He cleaved some stone and buildings in AC, but that's not even enough to scratch Archimonde (As already proven in The Sundering).

Sargeras was not even tickled by Alexstrasza and the War of the Ancients heroes when they all combined their might. He barely even noticed the attack. He just felt the touch of something at his ankle.

Tell me what you don't believe of my theories and I will do my best to convince you.

He cleaved more then that, and without being near it.

Was this a magical or physical attack?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
You want me to get proof of Sephiroth splitting beings who don't exist in his universe in half?

Sephiroth has sliced through at LEAST 10 metre thick cannons, made to withstand even the greatest of energy shots, fueled by the lifestream itself which when shot absolutely annhiliated one of the powerful weapons and then continued on to destroy Sephiroths barrier (Although at that point ran out of energy.). And he was a few miles away when he done it, also doing it casually.

And that prove what exactly? Sargeras is not 10 meters thick or made of metal. He outsizes mountains. A man that tanked an attack that rumbled an entire landscape is considered a flee in comparison to Sargeras.

You need to do better than that to even come close at injuring Sargeras. Has Sephiroth destroyed mountains? Cleaved diamonds?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
And that prove what exactly? Sargeras is not 10 meters thick or made of metal. He outsizes mountains. A man that tanked an attack that rumbled an entire landscape is considered a flee in comparison to Sargeras.

You need to do better than that to even come close at injuring Sargeras. Has Sephiroth destroyed mountains? Cleaved diamonds?

I'm sure nothing Sephiroth could throw at Sargeras would even make him flinch. Not that he would have the chance - Sephiroth would be dead without even realizing what happened to him, just like in that fight with Cloud.

Also, both Sargeras and Kil'jaeden have the ability to stop time. Not that they would need to use it or anything.

Sephiroth versus any one of these three is a major spite. Him against them as a team is not even worth calling a slaughter. He can't regenerate because there'll be nothing left to regenerate from. Archimonde turns him inside out and Sargeras accidentally vaporizes the puddle that remains from having been turned inside out. He then turns the battlefield into a raging inferno and erase the vapor. Next Sargeras drops a mountain where Sephiroth once was. Next Sargeras splits the planet in half and continues his quest to destroy the universe.

Oh yeah and Kil'Jaeden takes Sephiroth's soul and imprisons it before transporting it into the Twisting Nether where it'll float for all eternity or until Kil'Jaeden does the unlikely and remember this pathetic battle and decides to destroy the prison and shatter Sephiroth's soul in the process. Just for fun.