Originally posted by EnyalusMeh, I don't really like that song. How about we reenact the volleyball scene from Top Gun instead?:
That's all that really matters, then. Now we can hold hands and sing Hakuna Matata.
I'll be Maverick, you can be Goose. Kay? ermmhappy
Originally posted by Galan007
Read "Annihilation: Silver Surfer" #4. The events in that comic directly proceed the events of "Annihilation" #1 (in which A&T own Galactus.)In the former comic, Galactus states that he "must feed," and sends Surfer to find him a planet.
In that comic you're referring too, it was Annihilation Day plus 21 when Surfer beat Ravenous and set off to find a planet for Galactus. In Surfer #3, it was Annihilation Day plus 20 when Tenebrous and Aegis make their first appearance wondering about the Kyln. Thanos made an alliance with Aegis and Tenebrous on Annihilation Day plus 40. There's a gap of 19 days for Surfer to find a planet. I highly doubt it would take that long for Surfer to find a planet.
Based on what? A&T are pretty much the only P-Gods with actual feats, and they were both imprisoned by Galactus alone. [/B]
And that's all we know, he imprisoned them - not the method in which he used to beat them. He could've used tech or prep to beat them. According to Extrapia, both T&A are Galactus level beings (or around the ballpark from my understanding). By Galactus' own statement they were far worse than Beyonder. He never regarded them as inferior to him in power or that it would be a walk in the park. They're likely in the same league, with Galactus at the high end of this tier compared to most Proemial Gods. Not sure how he beat Diableri but he could only contain T&A using the crunch (Surfer #3). By the way, Tenebrous' was edging Galactus out in their fight.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
In that comic you're referring too, it was Annihilation Day plus 21 when Surfer beat Ravenous and set off to find a planet for Galactus. In Surfer #3, it was Annihilation Day plus 20 when Tenebrous and Aegis make their first appearance wondering about the Kyln. Thanos made an alliance with Aegis and Tenebrous on Annihilation Day plus 40. There's a gap of 19 days for Surfer to find a planet. I highly doubt it would take that long for Surfer to find a planet.And that's all we know, he imprisoned them - not the method in which he used to beat them. He could've used tech or prep to beat them. According to Extrapia, both T&A are Galactus level beings (or around the ballpark from my understanding). By Galactus' own statement they were far worse than Beyonder. He never regarded them as inferior to him in power or that it would be a walk in the park. They're likely in the same league, with Galactus at the high end of this tier. Not sure how he beat Diableri but he could only contain T&A using the crunch (Surfer #3).
Originally posted by EnyalusI think they represent fundamental concepts of the early universe
and wield vast stores of Power Cosmic.
On the other hand,
they did wield vast power, at and/or around normal Galactus level.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingIn that comic you're referring too, it was Annihilation Day plus 21 when Surfer beat Ravenous and set off to find a planet for Galactus. In Surfer #3, it was Annihilation Day plus 20 when Tenebrous and Aegis make their first appearance wondering about the Kyln. Thanos made an alliance with Aegis and Tenebrous on Annihilation Day plus 40. There's a gap of 19 days for Surfer to find a planet. I highly doubt it would take that long for Surfer to find a planet.
And that's all we know, he imprisoned them - not the method in which he used to beat them. He could've used tech or prep to beat them. According to Extrapia, both T&A are Galactus level beings (or around the ballpark from my understanding). By Galactus' own statement they were far worse than Beyonder. He never regarded them as inferior to him in power or that it would be a walk in the park. They're likely in the same league, with Galactus at the high end of this tier compared to most Proemial Gods. Not sure how he beat Diableri but he could only contain T&A using the crunch (Surfer #3). By the way, Tenebrous' was edging Galactus out in their fight.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingThere's no way to be sure. But since we never saw Galactus feed, and since no claims were made that he had fed, I personally won't just assume he had.
There's a gap of 19 days for Surfer to find a planet. I highly doubt it would take that long for Surfer to find a planet.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingWe also know that a mere herald of Galactus is capable of channeling sufficient crunch-energies to beat T&A, on his own (tech and prep free.) That said, I'm sure Galactus himself would be more than capable of doing so, both under his own power, and unaided by tech/prep as well.
And that's all we know, he imprisoned them - not the method in which he used to beat them. He could've used tech or prep to beat them.
And imo, this scan also points to the above:
http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=68373825.jpg
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingThe P-Gods may very well be in the same ballpark as Galactus. What I'm saying is that because T&A are really the only ones with feats, we can't make a general (and accurate) statement that each of the P-Gods are in the same league as Galactus, because we have no basis whatsoever in which to accurately quantify their individual powers.
According to Extrapia, both T&A are Galactus level beings (or around the ballpark from my understanding).
Originally posted by Galan007
There's no way to be sure. But since we never saw Galactus feed, and since no claims were made that he had fed, I personally won't just assume he had.
It was never mentioned that he was hungry either when they fought. In fact, it was mentioned that both T & A were Galactus' equal right before the fight panels with the intention of giving readers a measure of T & A's power. If it was intended that he was hungry during that fight, it would have been mentioned, asterisked, and referenced back to Silver Surfer #4. Even during Heralds of Galactus, Galactus never says his hunger was an issue during that fight - the Galactus that always moans and bitches about his hunger weaking him.
By the way, I'm not asking you to assume. You already made the assumption that he was hungry by referencing Surfer #4 where he said he needed to feed. But you missed or ignored that Thanos made an alliance with T & A 19 days after Surfer went looking for a planet (SS #4) and the unknown time T & A took to find/start their attack (# Annihilation #1). Nowhere during that Tenebrous' fight with Galactus was it said Galactus was hungry - you assumed he was.
We also know that a mere herald of Galactus is capable of channeling sufficient crunch-energies to beat T&A, on his own (tech and prep free.) That said, I'm sure Galactus himself would be more than capable of doing so, both under his own power, and unaided by tech/prep as well.And imo, this scan also points to the above:
http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=68373825.jpg
Well, Galactus knows he could not beat them that's why he used the Crunch energies to bind them in the first place. It's the Crunch that held them. Surfer killed them using the Crunch, I think, and even than Galactus was extremely impressed by that feat. If Galactus himself could kill them using the Crunch he would have the first time.
As for tech/prep, I meant that we don't know how Galactus beat Diableri and his horde of Gods during the old war.
The P-Gods may very well be in the same ballpark as Galactus. What I'm saying is that because T&A are really the only ones with feats, we can't make a general (and accurate) statement that each of the P-Gods are in the same league as Galactus, because we have no basis whatsoever in which to accurately quantify their individual powers. [/B]
I can agree with that; all members of any pantheon vary in powers.
Originally posted by Galan007
And imo, this scan also points to the above:
http://img37.imageshack.us/my.php?image=68373825.jpg
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It was never mentioned that he was hungry either when they fought. In fact, it was mentioned that both T & A were Galactus' equal right before the fight panels with the intention of giving readers a measure of T & A's power. If it was intended that he was hungry during that fight, it would have been mentioned, asterisked, and referenced back to Silver Surfer #4. Even during Heralds of Galactus, Galactus never says his hunger was an issue during that fight - the Galactus that always moans and bitches about his hunger weaking him.By the way, I'm not asking you to assume. You already made the assumption that he was hungry by referencing Surfer #4 where he said he needed to feed. But you missed or ignored that Thanos made an alliance with T & A 19 days after Surfer went looking for a planet (SS #4) and the unknown time T & A took to find/start their attack (# Annihilation #1). Nowhere during that Tenebrous' fight with Galactus was it said Galactus was hungry - you assumed he was.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingGalactus says he needs to feed, and Surfer ventures off to find him a suitable planet. The next time we see the two of them they are "caught off guard" by T&A *see Utrigita's scan on the first/current pages* - with absolutely no reference to Galactus having fed beforehand.
By the way, I'm not asking you to assume. You already made the assumption that he was hungry by referencing Surfer #4 where he said he needed to feed. But you missed or ignored that Thanos made an alliance with T & A 19 days after Surfer went looking for a planet (SS #4) and the unknown time T & A took to find/start their attack (# Annihilation #1). Nowhere during that Tenebrous' fight with Galactus was it said Galactus was hungry - you assumed he was.
It's from those happenings which I draw my opinion/assumption that Galactus was hungry when he fought the duo. I think it's perfectly logical..
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingIndeed, Galactus was impressed that Surfer was able to channel the crunch energies to beat T&A, but that is not to say Galactus himself would be incapable of such.
Well, Galactus knows he could not beat them that's why he used the Crunch energies to bind them in the first place. It's the Crunch that held them. Surfer killed them using the Crunch, I think, and even than Galactus was extremely impressed by that feat. If Galactus himself could kill them using the Crunch he would have the first time.
If Surfer can do something, Galactus can do it much, much grander.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing馃憜
I can agree with that; all members of any pantheon vary in powers.
