Originally posted by Galan007To assume anything else would be extrapolating.
Galactus says he needs to feed, and Surfer ventures off to find him a suitable planet. The next time we see the two of them they are "caught off guard" by T&A *see Utriga's scan on the first/current pages* - with absolutely no reference to Galactus having fed beforehand.
Originally posted by Utrigita
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Tenebrous%20Aegis/galactusoffguard.jpg
I've already seen that. No where does it make reference to his hunger or a weakened state. Just that he was caught off guard.
Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Galactus says he needs to feed, and Surfer ventures off to find him a suitable planet. The next time we see the two of them they are "caught off guard" by T&A *see Utrigita's scan on the first/current pages* - with absolutely no reference to Galactus having fed beforehand.It's from those happenings which I draw my opinion/assumption that Galactus was hungry when he fought the duo. I think it's perfectly logical..
How is that logical? What you wanted to use in Silver Surfer #4 to draw your conclusion, which came just one page before the Epilogue of Thanos' meeting with T & A (A.D. plus 40). You're saying Galactus went more than 19 days without feeding and then fought T & A without ever mentioning that his hunger. You're also saying it takes Surfer longer than 19 days to find a planet. It took him near instantaneous to track down T & A from across the universe.
Indeed, Galactus was impressed that Surfer was able to channel the crunch energies to beat T&A, but that is not to say Galactus himself would be incapable of such.If Surfer can do something, Galactus can do it much, much grander.
No argument there. Galactus being able to channel the Proemial God Kryptonite better than Surfer doesn't change the power levels between T & A and Galactus - they're still in his league.
Originally posted by Juntai
To assume anything else would be extrapolating.
LOL. Yes, because it's logical to assume a power upgraded Surfer took longer than 19 days to STILL NOT FIND A PLANET for Galactus. And nowhere during Annhilation #1 or Heralds of Galactus does it mention his hunger.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I've already seen that. No where does it make reference to his hunger or a weakened state. Just that he was caught off guard.
It should be quite obvious that the fact that Galactus was caught off guard and unprepared for the assault from Tenebrous and Aegis, and the fact that Silver Surfer was looking for a suitable planet for Galactus to devour and that the battle between Galactus and Tenebrous takes place on such one, that he obviously wasn't Fed, if he was Fed he would perhaps still be caught off guard, but unprepared? When counting in those factors I doesn't think that the Tenebrous = Galactus is justifiable.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingAnd unprepared. That's the word that caught my interest.
I've already seen that. No where does it make reference to his hunger or a weakened state. Just that he was caught off guard.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingI'm saying it's more logical to assume Galactus had not fed, than it is to assume he had. Why? Because there is no solid evidence supporting your notion that he had fed, while there is substance behind the opinion that he had not fed.
How is that logical? What you wanted to use in Silver Surfer #4 to draw your conclusion, which came just one page before the Epilogue of Thanos' meeting with T & A (A.D. plus 40). You're saying Galactus went more than 19 days without feeding and then fought T & A without ever mentioning that his hunger. You're also saying it takes Surfer longer than 19 days to find a planet. It took him near instantaneous to track down T & A from across the universe.
There's also this..
"My guess is Galactus will never go hungry again":
http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89615919.jpg
(bottom panel)
Keep in mind the above scan is from "Annihilation" #6 (after Galactus had been beaten by T&A/held against his will.) It seems obvious to me that he'd "never go hungry again" so the aforementioned would not be repeated..
hmm, it seems more logical to assume he WAS hungry (at least to a certain degree) to me as well, though HOW hungry is impossible to gauge. why more logical?
well, we know that unless he has very recently fed, he is generally ALWAYS hungry. then there is the issue of the 19 day window. i agree it's reasonable to assume ss DID find him a planet in that time frame. perhaps more than one even. but perhaps he found the planets on days 24 and 31. or perhaps he only found one on day 27. that would STILL leave ample time left over for galactus to again be hungry even HAD he fed over the course of that 'missing time'.
i'm not saying he was 'starving' or really even in an especially weakened state, but it seems plausible to think that his hunger may have impacted him somewhat in that battle.
Originally posted by Utrigita
It should be quite obvious that the fact that Galactus was caught off guard and unprepared for the assault from Tenebrous and Aegis, and the fact that Silver Surfer was looking for a suitable planet for Galactus to devour and that the battle between Galactus and Tenebrous takes place on such one, that he obviously wasn't Fed, if he was Fed he would perhaps still be caught off guard, but unprepared? When counting in those factors I doesn't think that the Tenebrous = Galactus is justifiable.
If he was unprepared in the first place, obviously they'll be caught off guard. However, him being unprepared doesn't necessarily mean he was hungry at the time. The fight takes place on an inhabited world. There's plenty of fights that end up on an inhabited world. You can infer that they might have been looking for a planet, but that's it. Nowhere does it say he was weakened or hungry. And being in a weakened/hungry state is totally different than being unprepared and caught guard.
Originally posted by Galan007
And unprepared. That's the word that caught my interest.I'm saying it's more logical to assume Galactus had not fed, than it is to assume he had. Why? Because there is no solid evidence supporting your notion that he had fed, while there is substance behind the opinion that he had not fed.
It's really not considering that in Annihilation #1 Extirpia, not Extrapia (my fault), tells them that they'd won the battle on Daedulus 5 but elsewhere the Wave has won the war. She then tells about Galactus' capture that day or rather Annihilation Day plus 204. That's 183 days now for Surfer to find a planet. So again, how is it logical to assume Galactus was hungry during that fight?
Annihilation Day Plus 204
http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation2002.jpg
Daedulus 5 was a distraction
http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1017.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1018.jpg
There's also this.."My guess is Galactus will never go hungry again":
http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89615919.jpg
(bottom panel)Keep in mind the above scan is from "Annihilation" #6 (after Galactus had been beaten by T&A/held against his will.) It seems obvious to me that he'd "never go hungry again" so the aforementioned would not be repeated.. [/B]
That line is pretty ambiguous. Rich says "Galactus' appetite is larger than normal now" but he "hopes that its not permanent" and with Surfer by back he guesses Galactus "will never go hungry again" and "god help us." It's not referring to that T & A fight at all. It's Galactus' rage that he's afraid of. The guy destroyed 3 solar systems in a fit of rage right before Nova's eyes. Even in that panel, he says he hopes Galactus' large hunger won't last long.
Originally posted by leonidas
[B]hmm, it seems more logical to assume he WAS hungry (at least to a certain degree) to me as well, though HOW hungry is impossible to gauge. why more logical?well, we know that unless he has very recently fed, he is generally ALWAYS hungry.
If you says he's always hungry, then that will be considered average Galactus. Every one of his feats now is performed under a hungry state unless it's shown that he feed before performing that feat. If so than, his galaxy destroying fight with Tyrant and dimension wrecking fight with Agamotto was when he was hungry. He would likely be starving or near death after fights like that since he's depleting so much energy. He wasn't weakened after that fight with Agamotto at all and that was one of his highest feats.
then there is the issue of the 19 day window. i agree it's reasonable to assume ss DID find him a planet in that time frame. perhaps more than one even. but perhaps he found the planets on days 24 and 31. or perhaps he only found one on day 27. that would STILL leave ample time left over for galactus to again be hungry even HAD he fed over the course of that 'missing time'.i'm not saying he was 'starving' or really even in an especially weakened state, but it seems plausible to think that his hunger may have impacted him somewhat in that battle.
So it would be correct to say Tenebrous and Aegis outpower Galactus since Galactus will always be hungry. That they did beat Galactus and not a weakened version because Galactus is always hungry. Sure he can be in an especially weakened state when he's hungry, but until it's stated he's weakened by the hunger, he will be at his regular showings.
