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I reposted the collection at the bottom of the last page. Somehow you copied it wrong.
EDIT: Ah screw it. Reposted:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
X. SORCERYSome folks underestimate Doom's skills with magic. Some folks overestimate them. Hopefully these next set of scans will allow you to form your own opinion. But make no mistake, from the very beginning, magic has been an integral part of Doom's character. In Dr. Doom's very first appearance in Fantastic Four #5, Reed describes Doom, and refers to his sorcery above all else:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery015.jpgTheir very first adventure together also involved magical baubles, from Fantastic Four #5:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery025.jpgEvery summer, Doom summons Mephisto to battle for his mother's soul, as first recounted in Astonishing Tales #8
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery03AstonishingTales8.jpgDoom's dormant magical power was coveted by the Dark Rider, in Marvel Team-Up #43:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery04MTU43.jpgDoom's studies extend far and wide. Here, he learns everything that Cagliostro knows in Iron Man #149:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery05IronMan149.jpgDoom demonstrates the ability to see magic at work in Iron Man #150:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery06IronMan150.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery07IronMan150.jpgDoom uses black magic to summon the greatest power in the universe in Fantastic Four #288:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery08288.jpgDoom again senses powerful mystical forces in Iron Man #249:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery09IronMan249.jpgDoom opens portals into Limbo and wields Illyana's Soulsword in Excalibur #37:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery10Excalibur37.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery11Excalibur37.jpgIn this age's contest for the title of Sorcerer Supreme, the Aged Genghis' call is heard only by those most learned in the mystic arts in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery12TriumphTorment1.jpgDoom analyzes and learns mystic combat during the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment and immediately begins to make use of it. Doom is the second to last man standing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery13TriumphTorment1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery14TriumphTorment1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery15TriumphTorment1.jpgDr. Strange tutors Dr. Doom for weeks in the ways of the mystic arts in preparation for their assault on Mephisto:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery16TriumphTorment1.jpgEven in his off-time, Doom is ever trying to increase his mystic knowledge, stealing an ancient book from another dimension, as recounted in Iron Man: Legacy of Doom #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery17LegacyofDoom2.jpgDoom demonstrates his magical superiority over Kun Lun's own Sorcerer Supreme, Master Khan, in Namor #31:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery18Namor31.jpgDoom strips and combines Ceranda's magic with his own in Thor Annual 1999 #1. Ceranda's magic was so powerful, it cursed Mjolnir against Thor in subsequent issues:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery19ThorAnnual19991.jpgDoom can access the Dreamtime with his sorcery, from Fantastic Four vol. 2 #30:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2030.jpgDoom's library is vast and considered to be one of the largest in the world, from Fantastic Four vol. 2 #30:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2130.jpgJust how vast? Here's a spread-page shot of Doom's personal library in Fantastic Four vol. 2 #70:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2270.jpgDoom's magic works even better on entities such as vampires, from Blade #2:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery22Blade2.jpgDoom learns sorcery from Morgan le Fay, in Mighty Avengers #9:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery23MightyAvengers9.jpgHere, Doom learns how to summon the Mindless Ones from Morgen le Fay in Mighty Avengers #11:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery24MightyAvengers11.jpg
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Did you not notice the scenario above it where Doom is disadvantaged? Is it impossible to uproot the ground which Cain stands on and chuck it out of Latverian territory?I made three scenarios, one neutral and the others where one had the advantage.
If needed I and a few others can pull up some of his magical feats. The fact that current Strange fears a battle of magic against him should say quite a bit already.
she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??
one was neutral. the next two had them both at oposites disadvantage...
storms advantage- "She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself"
doom is rival to strange in magic right? then he can do extrodinary things. her home turf is good as gone.
dooms advantage- "She is on his turf and he gets time to plan and a bodyguard who is able to be BFR'd, no exploding lungs." he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.
now you look at that and tell me that aint funny??
Originally posted by stormfront
she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??one was neutral. the next two had them both at oposites disadvantage...
storms advantage- "She is on home turf and Doom is only left with magic to defend himself"
doom is rival to strange in magic right? then he can do extrodinary things. her home turf is good as gone.dooms advantage- "She is on his turf and he gets time to plan and a bodyguard who is able to be BFR'd, no exploding lungs." he has immortal juggernaut, has magic barriers aroung his territor, has guns pointed at her to take her power, he has everything set to take her down.
now you look at that and tell me that aint funny??
Cain's immortality isn't what keeps him in fights or anything. Are you telling me Storm can't short out every gun pointed at her? There is no magical barrier around Latveria here.
You just questioned if he could even hurt her with magic, now you're saying that he is at an advantage? Current Strange is in no way comparable to Classic Strange. Do you think it would be more balanced if he was only able to use his technological attacks and stuff?
Don't understand this one here.
she can uproot the ground around cain.... is he hold doom and making sure he doesnt go anywhere??
You'd think that Storm being insanely powerful as she is in this state would be able to contend with Doom. May I respectfully ask if you read anything with Doom in it?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cain's immortality isn't what keeps him in fights or anything. Are you telling me Storm can't short out every gun pointed at her? There is no magical barrier around Latveria here.You just questioned if he could even hurt her with magic, now you're saying that he is at an advantage? Current Strange is in no way comparable to Classic Strange. Do you think it would be more balanced if he was only able to use his technological attacks and stuff?
Don't understand this one here.
You'd think that Storm being insanely powerful as she is in this state would be able to contend with Doom. May I respectfully ask if you read anything with Doom in it?
im saying with his prep time given, he would place magic on all his traps.. and that isnt a thought of mine. the people that vote for doom thought of the magic barrier thing. i ask can magic harm a goddess? i got answers along the lines of galactus and silver surfer.
Originally posted by stormfront
im saying with his prep time given, he would place magic on all his traps.. and that isnt a thought of mine. the people that vote for doom thought of the magic barrier thing. i ask can magic harm a goddess? i got answers along the lines of galactus and silver surfer.
He doesn't have prep in the 2nd match. His magic has affected Mephisto and he has owned demons in Hell, and he has been able to beat Surfer outside of stealing his powers. If the magic barrier is supposed to keep her out then it can't be used her. She can't be BFR'd nor Doom.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He doesn't have prep in the 2nd match. His magic has affected Mephisto and he has owned demons in Hell, and he has been able to beat Surfer outside of stealing his powers. If the magic barrier is supposed to keep her out then it can't be used her. She can't be BFR'd nor Doom.
with his week of prep, i think him with his smarts would know what to protect with magic.
but i think my question is whick is more powerful? a goddess or a sorrcer[sp]
Originally posted by stormfront
with his week of prep, i think him with his smarts would know what to protect with magic.but i think my question is whick is more powerful? a goddess or a sorrcer[sp]
Well how is she disadvantaged in the 2nd one but not the first one?
as Eny said Titles are meaningless. Storm hasn't owned the likes of Mephisto nor Surfer, or Thor. Doom's sorcery is no pushover. Classic Strange is a sorcerer and Hermod is a God. Is he stronger than Strange?
