Johun Othone + Valenthyne Farfalla+ Raskta Lsu v ROTS sidious.

Originally posted by KOS=MOS
She is -- on paper -- the far more technically skilled of the two of them; her ability was described by the omniscient as "unparalleled" in an era that saw more lightsaber on lightsaber combat than any other, she was renowned by her peers for being the greatest duelist of her time, she was reported to have personally killed more Sith Lords than even the number that had been decimated by the Thought Bomb, she was stated to have achieved the "rare and prestigious rank" of Jedi Weapons Master, and was described by the omniscient narrator as having fully dedicated her time and effort to her lightsaber skills.

From what we can say of Sidious, he doesn't remotely compare. He can't be said to possess a level of ability even approaching that displayed by Raskta, and is strongly implied to have been completely out of practise with the lightsaber, having kept his primary one hidden in a statue for the thirteen years leading to RotS, and having had limited contact with any other lightsaber practitioner (as the Sith Lord, Darth Sidious).

She's displayed a far greater level of speed; in her duel with Darth Bane, she was seen from a battle meditation boosted Farfalla's Force Sensitive eyes as appearing to be everywhere and all around Bane [b]at once: in front of him, behind him, beside him, crouching low, leaping in the air, indicating that she was moving far too quickly for his Force enhanced reaction speeds to visually keep up with.

Sidious has never been shown to be capable of moving at a level of speed even close, meaning, on paper, Raskta firmly holds the advantage in this area as well.

We lack the evidence to be able to truly compare the two of them in any other area pertaining to lightsaber combat, so on paper, Raskta under the conditions I earlier mentioned has far more going for her. [/B]

She may have been the best OF HER ERA, but Sidious has been called the best of HIS Era, sometimes even that of ALL TIME. Unless if she's outside of time...

And the "out of practice" Sidious was able to duel both Yoda and Mace, plus near instantly destroy 3 jedi master regarded as among the greatest swordsmen the order has EVER (in ANY era) produce...

And Bane is probably using metaphor: if that isn't a justification for you then in that case you can throw the "Bane beets Luke" suggestion out of the window because Luke was said to be unmoved by the black hole at the center of the galaxy.

But I'm stupid for aruging in a way; I don't know who Raskta is! Oh well...

Ahhh!!! Quick, no talking to Nebaris, you'll get banned!!! Runnnnn!!!

Nebaris
Sidious [...] is strongly implied to have been completely out of practise with the lightsaber, having kept his primary one hidden in a statue for the thirteen years leading to RotS, and having had limited contact with any other lightsaber practitioner (as the Sith Lord, Darth Sidious).

Oh, and Yoda.

What's so hard to understand? I never said that technical ability was the be all end all of lightsaber combat, or that Palpatine's [heavily implied] lack of technical ability somehow made him useless or somehow at an inadequate level to pull off such feats as you just mentioned.

I was simply recognising it as a factor that should be taken into consideration when explaining why I felt that an amped up Raskta had more going for her as a lightsaber combatant.

To be honest I'm not entirely sure what your point is. If we were to accept the strong implication that Palpatine truly was lacking in technical ability, than all that would mean is that he pulled off all of that stuff despite that fact. That wouldn't mean we don't take it into consideration however when analysing his overall level of ability, especially against an opponent who he -- on paper -- doesn't completely outclass in speed or the other areas of lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by Captain REX
From now, I would like to request that nobody interact with Nebaris when he posts. Just let me know where he is and I will ban him and remove his posts.

STFU guys.

Hewhoknowsitall, REX told you to stop interacting with him. Hopefully, if you keep up, he'll ban your ass.

Originally posted by Gideon
STFU guys.

Hewhoknowsitall, REX told you to stop interacting with him. Hopefully, if you keep up, he'll ban your ass.

The question is, why not interact with him? Is he really that much of a virus that needs to be removed?

We should cast him out... like a leper.

Nebaris admitted to me he doesn't even believe most of the stuff he posts and does it to get a rise.

Don't listen to him.

We should cast him out... like a leper.

And then when the chips are down, we civilised people should just all turn cannibal and go nuts.

Originally posted by Gideon
STFU guys.

Hewhoknowsitall, REX told you to stop interacting with him. Hopefully, if you keep up, he'll ban your ass.

I'd appreciate if someone could show me where he said this. It'd be a good reference for future dealing with socks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And then when the chips are down, we civilised people should just all turn cannibal and go nuts.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I'd appreciate if someone could show me where he said this. It'd be a good reference for future dealing with socks.

why is Jothun Othone in there? he won't do anything to help. lol maybe trip over some rocks and get his partners killed in his inexperience.

or maybe he'll use his diplomacy lightsaber form to take palpy.. and last like 2 seconds.

Testing sig...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Sweet. I call your nuts.

Hah!

On a silver platter?

Oops! I thought that a random non mod said that...sorry Rex don't ban me/sue me for billions of dollars 🙁

Hah!

On a silver platter?

Never trust a silver platter.

They give you metal-poisoning. 😐

I mean, Stop talkin' 'bout eating my nuts!!!! I need them for special me-time!

Originally posted by kotorfan
why is Jothun Othone in there? he won't do anything to help. lol maybe trip over some rocks and get his partners killed in his inexperience.

or maybe he'll use his diplomacy lightsaber form to take palpy.. and last like 2 seconds.

It is noted in RoT, that Raskta was able to benefit from Johun's presence by co-ordinating her attacks with his (yes, she's that good).

"And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence... she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage."

Originally posted by KOS=MOS
She is -- on paper -- the far more technically skilled of the two of them; her ability was described by the omniscient as "unparalleled" in an era that saw more lightsaber on lightsaber combat than any other, she was renowned by her peers for being the greatest duelist of her time, she was reported to have personally killed more Sith Lords than even the number that had been decimated by the Thought Bomb, she was stated to have achieved the "rare and prestigious rank" of Jedi Weapons Master, and was described by the omniscient narrator as having fully dedicated her time and effort to her lightsaber skills.

From what we can say of Sidious, he doesn't remotely compare. He can't be said to possess a level of ability even approaching that displayed by Raskta, and is strongly implied to have been completely out of practise with the lightsaber, having kept his primary one hidden in a statue for the thirteen years leading to RotS, and having had limited contact with any other lightsaber practitioner (as the Sith Lord, Darth Sidious).

She's displayed a far greater level of speed; in her duel with Darth Bane, she was seen from a battle meditation boosted Farfalla's Force Sensitive eyes as appearing to be everywhere and all around Bane [b]at once: in front of him, behind him, beside him, crouching low, leaping in the air, indicating that she was moving far too quickly for his Force enhanced reaction speeds to visually keep up with.
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True.

And seeing as Sidious doesn't have orbalisks (the only reason Bane survived that battle), I think the Jedi win this.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
It is noted in RoT, that Raskta was able to benefit from Johun's presence by co-ordinating her attacks with his (yes, she's that good).

"And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence... she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage."