A,M,M,D,C Vs. L,G,K,S,C

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Ares' power came from his godhood, the fact that he was God of War. Kratos then received Ares' power. Tell me where Ares' power came from if not his Godhood?

2. No, but fire combined with the fact that Kratos is physically stronger by many times than ANYONE in this thread means he can.

2. The vines resisted fire. And Archimonde was strong enough to destroy the vines as if they were wind. He wasn't outstrengthed. He was overwhelmed. He was more or less drowning in the vines. No matter how many he destroyed, twice the amount came back. Despite being strong enough to free himself from every replenishment, he was forced to teleport away. Despite him able to destroy them every time he swiped his arms, it came more to take their place before he could do anything.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He is hundreds of times stronger than Arichmonde.

What has he done that makes you put him hundreds of times stronger?

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
2. The vines resisted fire. And Archimonde was strong enough to destroy the vines as if they were wind. He wasn't outstrengthed. He was overwhelmed. He was more or less drowning in the vines. No matter how many he destroyed, twice the amount came back. Despite being strong enough to free himself from every replenishment, he was forced to teleport away. Despite him able to destroy them every time he swiped his arms, it came more to take their place before he could do anything.

What has he done that makes you put him hundreds of times stronger?

2. He resisted being crushed by Atlas' hand, who holds up in the game what is at least the crust of the planet. Kratos in this fight has the full power of a God(instead of just a Demi-God) and is 500+ feet tall. He is much stronger.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Arichmonde is not as strong as Kratos. He will literally walk through them. As for teleporting, if I recall right Ares did this as well. As well as flying. Although to be perfectly honest the entire forest will be burned to ash within a few minutes...

2. He resisted being crushed by Atlas' hand, who holds up in the game what is at least the crust of the planet. Kratos in this fight has the full power of a God(instead of just a Demi-God) and is 500+ feet tall. He is much stronger.

1. He can level the entire forest to the ground if he wants. It takes Cenarius only a gesture to rise fifteen thousand new trees. And the vines Malfurion summoned came from beneath the ground, rather from the forest.

2. Archimonde is possibly as large as Atlas. And Kratos was preventing Atlas fingers from squishing him. Two fingers doesn't give anywhere where the full strength of a hand. As it appears, Atlas did not even give it his all. He was having a conversation with Kratos, which implicate interest in keeping him alive.

I've seen Kratos in his God size. He's not as big as Archimonde, so much is certain. Kratos just barely dwarves a couple of levels high building. Archimonde rise to the size of a mountain.

What strength feats does Kratos have as God Kratos? What accomplishment do you use to state "hundreds of times stronger"? The fact that he was upgraded to God doesn't give him untold power. As Q'Anilia always says, being a God is irrelevant. It's what you've done as a God that counts.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
1. He can level the entire forest to the ground if he wants. It takes Cenarius only a gesture to rise fifteen thousand new trees. And the vines Malfurion summoned came from beneath the ground, rather from the forest.

2. Archimonde is possibly as large as Atlas. And Kratos was preventing Atlas fingers from squishing him. Two fingers doesn't give anywhere where the full strength of a hand. As it appears, Atlas did not even give it his all. He was having a conversation with Kratos, which implicate interest in keeping him alive.

I've seen Kratos in his God size. He's not as big as Archimonde, so much is certain. Kratos just barely dwarves a couple of levels high building. Archimonde rise to the size of a mountain.

What strength feats does Kratos have as God Kratos? What accomplishment do you use to state "hundreds of times stronger"? The fact that he was upgraded to God doesn't give him untold power. As Q'Anilia always says, being a God is irrelevant. It's what you've done as a God that counts.

Although I still wish to know what equipment Kratos has Q.

2. Atlas was throwing mountains when he fought in the Great Titans war. And I do not care how big he is. His FEATS do not come anywhere close to comparing with Atlas' strength feats, who has been holding up the Earth's crust(He does not even appear to be straining) for thousands of years, and does not even need all his arms to do so. That is quantillions of tons. He has been supporting it for thousands of years. This makes Atlas stronger than Arichmonde in every way...Unless you have a feat to say different? That could have been 1/1,000th of Atlas' strength...It is still more strength than Atlas could muster. Keeping him alive? Not according to Atlas. He wanted Kratos to suffer and did not trust him by his own words, Kratos had to convince Atlas to spare him.

I don't give a damn how big Arichmonde is. Kratos' feats lead to him being superior.

Why would he be hundreds of times stronger as a God? Well you know it might just have something to do with him being hundreds of times bigger(and having denser bones like other Gods do helps). Why would he not receive a boost in power when he was given the power of the God of War? To say he does not is illogical.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Ares' power came from his godhood, the fact that he was God of War. Kratos then received Ares' power. Tell me where Ares' power came from if not his Godhood?

2. No, but fire combined with the fact that Kratos is physically stronger by many times than ANYONE in this thread means he can.

1. You just made that claim, find me proof it came from his Godly title. I may agree its down to the fact he was a God but that does not mean just because Kratos gains the "God of war" TILE that he is automatically gaining all of the prevous God of wars powers.

2. erm...no...just because he is physicaly stronger means he can burn thousands of vines with a thought? lol.....maybe in your realm where Physical strength means everything but not in the fictions were debating here, certainly not GoW.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
In defense of Q'Anilia on that, she is the one that does not abide to "Absence of proof is not proof of absence". I'm just curious: Have you missed, or ignored her bringing up the fact that the length of the Star Destroyer is not relevant to Galen moving aside from the unstoppable Star Destroyer?

Look at this video and maybe, just maybe you'll understand what she's saying. 4:47 is probably my favorite part.

YouTube video

She just says she does not require proof and just agrees with people when they claim to have read/seen something. That sounds like that saying down to the ground.

The thing is huge, you cant just run to one side, its like having a Skyscraper falling over and saying "just run out of the way!" the thing itself thankfully to his force powers went exactley where he wanted it to go, on top of the Ore cannon, unfortunatley for him, it kept on going and he was not strong enough to stop it, my point still stands the same. Although now I understand your misconception.

NemeBro your lieing again, there is no way to gauge how much strength of his body Atlas actually put into crusihing Kratos and the fact he was not straining or even trying to squash Kratos at the time means it was likely hardly anything, he was just putting pressure on Kratos, the fact he was speaking while doing so means he did not try to squash him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
She just says she does not require proof and just agrees with people when they claim to have read/seen something. That sounds like that saying down to the ground.

Ime just reading what it says ive not heard the saying before she said it, "absence of proof, is not proof of absence", does it not mean absence of proof of something is not proof that that thing is absent?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ime just reading what it says ive not heard the saying before she said it, "absence of proof, is not proof of absence", does it not mean [b]absence of proof of something is not proof that that thing is absent? [/B]

That's how I understand it too.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ime just reading what it says ive not heard the saying before she said it, "absence of proof, is not proof of absence", does it not mean [b]absence of proof of something is not proof that that thing is absent? [/B]

Q'Anilia claimed that she doesn't demand people to pick up a book and start sweeping the pages just to get proof. She said she ain't that obsessed with being right. If someone more well-read than her says it's so, she accepts it. It has nothing to do with that saying at all.

is that another term for speculation?

Originally posted by Phanteros
is that another term for speculation?

It would be, yes. It's used when someone theorize a character able to do something it's never shown ability for. When a counterpart would claim that there's no proof that he's able to do this particular thing, the response would be that just because there is no proof that he's able to do it, doesn't mean that he can't do it. Just that he hasn't.

Absence of Proof is not Proof of Absence

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Exactly. The saying exist to claim that just because there is no proof for something in particular, does not mean it's not possible. Which is the reason I ask you, because your "That sounds like that saying down to the ground" comment did not add up, given what you commented to with those words.

Q'Anilia claimed that she doesn't demand people to pick up a book and start sweeping the pages just to get proof. She said she ain't that obsessed with being right. If someone more well-read than her says it's so, she accepts it. It has nothing to do with that saying at all.

I meant that she brings it up every time someone asks for evidence or proof, I was saying she lives by it because she keeps bringig it up as if to claim just because theres no proof does not mean it does not excist.

Although I admit, my example of her doing it was irrelvent, I should have just quoted her saying the "saying" as it were.

And Phanteros the saying seems to encourage speculation, daft tbh which is why i dont like the saying, its a saying for people who cba to find proof or cannot find proof anyway (or their character has never actually done anything like what they claim) so this saying is like an excuse to get out of trying to find evidence for their claim, they assume people should just agree that perhaps the character can but has not shown it...

So it just another term for speculation....

Let's not let this kill a good thread, guys 😐

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Let's not let this kill a good thread, guys 😐

Originally posted by Phanteros
we already know team 2 has no chance against these guys together.

Galen's precog and ability to sense things through the force, plus Ganon's cosmic awareness can help them keep one step ahead of the other team in a very fast paced battle. Plus he has reasonably powerful TK and force lightning is always fun.

Kratos specialises in fighting gigantic enemies of ridiculous power, as does Link to some extent, to say nothing of their unique abilities. Link's light arrows and master sword will wreak havoc, and Kratos has the power to make enemies hold still long enough for either one. Ganon too, in the form is his incredible physical strength and TK which can levitate entire castles without concentration. I've left out Link's strength, which is also impressive, but I think his light arrows will be more effective in this fight.

Ganon, well, he's uber. :/ There's a reason his dimensional sealing got taken away in this thread. Even without it, he's disintegrated beings with punches, levelled castles, survived castle busting force centered on himself without a scratch, and had the sword designed to kill him through his skull with no ill effect.

You're under estimating team 2.

Originally posted by Phanteros
we already know team 2 has no chance against these guys together.

Not according to masses. Several seem to think that a few on team 2 can basically solo team 1.

The order of death will probably be;

Cloud>Cloud.
Ganondorf>Cenarius [ranged soul rape.] Without him team 1 can't keep track of team 2, then;
Link > Deathwing.
Kratos & Link > Archimonde
Star Killer and Ganon keep Malfurion and Medivh busy while the above tag team Archi. Then it becomes a 4>2, imho.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Not according to masses. Several seem to think that a few on team 2 can basically solo team 1.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The order of death will probably be;

Cloud>Cloud.
Ganondorf>Cenarius [ranged soul rape.] Without him team 1 can't keep track of team 2, then;
Link > Deathwing.
Kratos & Link > Archimonde
Star Killer and Ganon keep Malfurion and Medivh busy while the above tag team Archi. Then it becomes a 4>2, imho.