Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Archimonde is powerful, but nowhere near as smart as Medivh. Archimonde would act as perfect distraction, thanks to his ability to tank insane damage. He even withstanded the end of Twilight of the Gods for some time.
That depends on what we are speaking of smart as in cunning, yeah that will land handily in Medivh's hat, Now Tactic and Strategy goes straight into Archimondes, the Guy have overseen and planned countless invasions of various planets, he wouldn't have been choosen for that exact purpose (leading the army) for Sargeras if he was bad at it.
I'm under the impression that neither of these two parties are walking away from the battle with everyone alive, I hope that everyone can agree on atleast that 🙂
Out of interest, Have anyone here taken into account what happens if Archimonde decides to draw the same pentagram on the Ground as he did in the cinematic for the Undead?
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Give him the Dragon Soul and we'll see who beats who 😊
Spite 🙂
Paramount spellweaving could win Archimonde the battle. At least take out one of them in the beginning of the fight. I'd suggest Kratos. With him out of the picture, Archimonde will be the sole titan involved. Say what one wants, but being the size of a mountain does help 😄 Having strength accordingly is a fine bonus.
Having the power to smash down something more than three times the size of that mountain and far larger (and heavier) with your mind is more impressive.
And Paramount spellweaving? its slow, it would take him far too long to weave that spell, it would lose Team 1 this fight quicker than typically thought.
Sorry what?
Team two has fifty miles to cover before they arrive onto the scene (unless one of them got mass teleport ore something like that). And in this scenario Archimonde probably wouldn't take his time but even if he did fifty miles is alot for them to cover, sure Ganon could teleport straight to them into the arms of Medivh, Deathwing, Cenarius and Malfurion, against each he would stand a good chance of surving and hambering Archimonde, but against all four, he goes down.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Having the power to smash down something more than three times the size of that mountain and far larger (and heavier) with your mind is more impressive.And Paramount spellweaving? its slow, it would take him far too long to weave that spell, it would lose Team 1 this fight quicker than typically thought.
Speaking of that feat. I read the Force Unleashed issue today. Galen Marek only nudged the Star Destroyer in the proper direction. He showed no strength at all to steer and hold the destroyer as he wanted to. He then after having destroyed the intended target attempted to stop it from destroying him as well, but was forced to retreat because it was too big and heavy.
And paramount spellweaving is slow, yes, but they start fifty miles apart. Medivh can easily slow even Kratos down (Maybe even defeat him) and buy Archimonde the required time.
What do you mean showed no strength? he made the destroyer move in the direction he wanted, thats incredible enough, your talking of a Star destroyer as if its a bath toy....its a 1600 meter long ship and he moved it in a way so that it landed on the intended target, you even see it in that video you showed, the only problem is that it kept on going although its no biggie that he had to retreat after that much effort, Archimonde on the other hand would have his head exploded with that "nudge" as you call it since he is nothing compared to a stardestroyer.
Has Archimonde weaved the spel before he even had a target? how would he even know where to aim the spell? has he used a spell like this at this range? how would he even know what kind of opponents he is facing....and if he does anyway, as Utrigitos said Ganon can teleport, Galen marik wouldnt have long to go especially if his team aid him such as Kratos, he would view the entire battlefield no doubt about it from Kratos' shoulder and Cloud....well.....ime sure he can do something..
And Medivh has no feats backing him up yet in this thread, merely statements, at least Team 2 has some stable feats that are known.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What do you mean showed no strength? he made the destroyer move in the direction he wanted, thats incredible enough, your talking of a Star destroyer as if its a bath toy....its a 1600 meter long ship and he moved it in a way so that it landed on the intended target, you even see it in that video you showed, the only problem is that it kept on going although its no biggie that he had to retreat after that much effort, Archimonde on the other hand would have his head exploded with that "nudge" as you call it since he is nothing compared to a stardestroyer.Has Archimonde weaved the spel before he even had a target? how would he even know where to aim the spell? has he used a spell like this at this range? how would he even know what kind of opponents he is facing....and if he does anyway, as Utrigitos said Ganon can teleport, Galen marik wouldnt have long to go especially if his team aid him such as Kratos, he would view the entire battlefield no doubt about it from Kratos' shoulder and Cloud....well.....ime sure he can do something..
And Medivh has no feats backing him up yet in this thread, merely statements, at least Team 2 has some stable feats that are known.
Sorry to say, but the game is barely canon. The events there are manipulated to serve the player. In the actual issue, Galen Marek barely moved it. He more or less tackled it with the Force in the right direction. It came at him and Galen said that it was too big and then retreated.
The only part that's canon in that video is the end sequence where he tries to stop it and fails. In the actual issue, he just nudged it.
No.
He can track people a planet away.
No.
OP says they have information on their enemies.
Medivh could hold his own against the entire enemy team. He can ward the starting area and prevent Ganon from teleporting into it. He then turn himself invisible and go all "Avatar of Sargeras" on Kratos, throwing him back when he comes close. He teleport Galen Marek back to his starting area and makes a stance against the reminding factors.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Sorry to say, but the game is barely canon. The events there are manipulated to serve the player. In the actual issue, Galen Marek barely moved it. He more or less tackled it with the Force in the right direction. It came at him and Galen said that it was too big and then retreated.
The only part that's canon in that video is the end sequence where he tries to stop it and fails. In the actual issue, he just nudged it.No.
He can track people a planet away.
No.
OP says they have information on their enemies.Medivh could hold his own against the entire enemy team. He can ward the starting area and prevent Ganon from teleporting into it. He then turn himself invisible and go all "Avatar of Sargeras" on Kratos, throwing him back when he comes close. He teleport Galen Marek back to his starting area and makes a stance against the reminding factors.
Tackled it with the force? tackled a 1600 meter long ship...astounding, I dont care how you try and downplay the feat, it doesnt matter what he did with it, its size and mass are so great, even if he did just nudge it, that nudge would knock Archimondes head in considering his lack of durability feats in comparison to the weight of a star destroyer.
So he cant even target them before he has a target anyway.....and tracking someone is not the same as casting a paramount spell on them.
Hold his own against the entire enemy team? Kain could do the same with this entire matchup......take into account the implications of what ime saying from your point of view...youll see its relevence.
Although with some creativity, if the whole team got on Kratos' shoulders and using the force Marek TKed him flying across the battlefield, Team 1 would not have much of a chance to prepare 😛 hell Kratos spriting across the battlefield would close the gap in no time considering his size.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Tackled it with the force? tackled a 1600 meter long ship...astounding, I dont care how you try and downplay the feat, it doesnt matter what he did with it, its size and mass are so great, even if he did just nudge it, that nudge would knock Archimondes head in considering his lack of durability feats in comparison to the weight of a star destroyer.So he cant even target them before he has a target anyway.....and tracking someone is not the same as casting a paramount spell on them.
Hold his own against the entire enemy team? Kain could do the same with this entire matchup......take into account the implications of what ime saying from your point of view...youll see its relevence.
Although with some creativity, if the whole team got on Kratos' shoulders and using the force Marek TKed him flying across the battlefield, Team 1 would not have much of a chance to prepare 😛 hell Kratos spriting across the battlefield would close the gap in no time considering his size.
He nudged a 1600 meter long Destroyer that was in the air. There's a lot speaking against your image of Starkiller right there. Archimonde has without having moved an inch taken a tackle that shake an entire valley, without injury. To think that he would suffer injury from someone who nudge an airborne Destroyer without inflicting even the slightest damage on it is preposterous. If he had stopped, or been anywhere close to stopping it, it would have been a feat worth mentioning.
You clearly need to read up on Star Wars and the Force.
Can't even target? 😐 He was able to find people that were on a seperate planet from himself, and people that was on the seperate side of one. And you'd be surprised how similar the two are. For as long as he follow his target, he can attack it with spells. For as long as he has his mental powers, he can follow.
Kain is not in this match, so what he can do is not relevant. Galen has shown no capability to lift Kratos even an inch above ground. Again I ask you to read up on Star Wars and the Force before you make such a foolish claim.
Kratos is 500 feet tall. Even for one his size, it takes time to run 50 miles. Enough time to cast a spell that doesn't even take a minute to prepare. Especially with Medivh throwing Kratos back (A throw which in turn most likely will kill Starkiller and Cloud)
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
He nudged a 1600 meter long Destroyer that was in the air. There's a lot speaking against your image of Starkiller right there. Archimonde has without having moved an inch taken a tackle that shake an entire valley, without injury. To think that he would suffer injury from someone who nudge an airborne Destroyer without inflicting even the slightest damage on it is preposterous. If he had stopped, or been anywhere close to stopping it, it would have been a feat worth mentioning.
You clearly need to read up on Star Wars and the Force.Can't even target? 😐 He was able to find people that were on a seperate planet from himself, and people that was on the seperate side of one. And you'd be surprised how similar the two are. For as long as he follow his target, he can attack it with spells. For as long as he has his mental powers, he can follow.
Kain is not in this match, so what he can do is not relevant. Galen has shown no capability to lift Kratos even an inch above ground. Again I ask you to read up on Star Wars and the Force before you make such a foolish claim.
Kratos is 500 feet tall. Even for one his size, it takes time to run 50 miles. Enough time to cast a spell that doesn't even take a minute to prepare. Especially with Medivh throwing Kratos back (A throw which in turn most likely will kill Starkiller and Cloud)
It shook a valley? lol......woah!!! and stop going on about Starkiller not doing Damage to the star destroyer, its totally irrelevent. He nudges it according to you and a 1600 meter ship is moved down...do you think a human could punch an Aeroplane down if he was sittong on top while it was flying forwards? no....
Prove this, prove that he can attack a target from long range with said spells, including a paramount would be better...
You did not see the deeper meaning? shame 🙁
Medihv would die instantly from the force or most characters unless youve got a durability feat to back him up. A wave of Starkillers hand, Ganon appearing and smashing him down, Cloud cutting him in half even or sending a blade beam and most characters in this matchup have a form of TK I think.
Originally posted by Burning thought
It shook a valley? lol......woah!!! and stop going on about Starkiller not doing Damage to the star destroyer, its totally irrelevent. He nudges it [b]according to you and a 1600 meter ship is moved down...do you think a human could punch an Aeroplane down if he was sittong on top while it was flying forwards? no....Prove this, prove that he can attack a target from long range with said spells, including a paramount would be better...
You did not see the deeper meaning? shame 🙁
Medihv would die instantly from the force or most characters unless youve got a durability feat to back him up. A wave of Starkillers hand, Ganon appearing and smashing him down, Cloud cutting him in half even or sending a blade beam and most characters in this matchup have a form of TK I think. [/B]
To shake a valley large enough to hold tens of thousands troops is a far stronger attack than some mere nudge to a 1600 meter ship. It IS relevant if he damage the ship or not. If you knew enough about the Force, you would know this as well. And the ship was already moving down. He just nudged it in the prefered direction. And I'm all for relative comparison, but that comparison is just daft.
What's there left to prove? Archimonde can see Kratos. Archimonde could see Dalaran. Archimonde use a paramount spell. Archimonde used a paramount spell.
I don't care about the deeper meaning, just like how I don't care to talk about Kain in this thread. If you had a point that effect the outcome of this clash, speak it rather than make a nigh impossible to interpret comparison.
You clearly don't understand the Force. Starkiller would have to find Medivh before he could wave his hand. Since you have Starkiller ride Kratos shoulder, Medivh will make the first move. He can attack Kratos long before Starkiller even see him. Ganon can not teleport near Medivh, if that's what you intended to say. Cloud would not know where to send his blade beam, and Medivh would move aside before it hit him anyway. Starkiller is not the only one that can see an attack before it happens.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
To shake a valley large enough to hold tens of thousands troops is a far stronger attack than some mere nudge to a 1600 meter ship. It IS relevant if he damage the ship or not. If you knew enough about the Force, you would know this as well. And the ship was already moving down. He just nudged it in the prefered direction. And I'm all for relative comparison, but that comparison is just daft.What's there left to prove? Archimonde can see Kratos. Archimonde could see Dalaran. Archimonde use a paramount spell. Archimonde used a paramount spell.
I don't care about the deeper meaning, just like how I don't care to talk about Kain in this thread. If you had a point that effect the outcome of this clash, speak it rather than make a nigh impossible to interpret comparison.
You clearly don't understand the Force. Starkiller would have to find Medivh before he could wave his hand. Since you have Starkiller ride Kratos shoulder, Medivh will make the first move. He can attack Kratos long before Starkiller even see him. Ganon can not teleport near Medivh, if that's what you intended to say. Cloud would not know where to send his blade beam, and Medivh would move aside before it hit him anyway. Starkiller is not the only one that can see an attack before it happens.
Not at all, all it did was shake the valley, no damage shown and no real force in comparison to what Starkiller achieved.
No not really daft, quite relevent, your literally admitting that it does take an amount of force to nudge an object in the direction, although I think you misinterpreted what you read simply because a nudge wouldnt get an object that large onto where he wants would it, especially if it was falling, giving it a nudge is not going to change its direction or make it move closer to where you want it.
kratos is not in his line of sight, nor necesserily his range, wheras Dalaren was directly in his line of sight, if he could have destroyed Dalaren a planet away, hell if he could destroy anyone from a planet away using spells he would do it to Azeroth, obvioulsy the Burning legion cannot, not even Sargeras.
Not really, the force has powers of precog and farsight and I think Q has used the example of a child closing her eyes and moving objects so obviously seeing is not necesserily the point. How is Medihv going to attack kratos long before Starkiller sees him? if Medihv can see Kratos, Kratos is likely to see him, certainly Starkiller because Starkiller would precog.