Originally posted by carver9
No and that wasnt what jlking was talking about. He's basically saying that despero would take Thors hammer to the face better than he would Hawk girls mace to the face when its plain and clear that thors hammer packs more hitting power; planet destroying, hitting power.
... Wow. Just, no. Definitely not true.
Originally posted by Allankles
Apart from his skiis/board the Black Racer is nothing like Surfer. How is the god of death anything like Surfer?
Originally posted by Allankles
As far as Guardian I agree somewhat but are you going to say every character with a shield is a CA knockoff? Not likely. I don't agree with lawest but these are not the best examples.
Originally posted by lawest9
Why not, marvel usually copies everything else from DC, why not a whole new line of heroes for dc copied from Marvel's major characters?!
Thor is from mythology.
Marvel, DC, and other companies copy from each other, sometimes.
Black Racer and Silver Surfer have lots in common.
Why?
Jack Kirby created them both. 😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer was introduced as a harbinger of Death associated with Galactus just as Black Racer was associated with DS(who was originally a Galactus knockoff himself). That combined with the whole board/ski similarity, their names being a combination of their color schemes and methods of travel(Black Racer/Silver Surfer), and the fact that both were regarded as second only to G and DS, all point to BR being a knockoff of Norrin.
Black Racer wasn't associated with DS. He existed before DS so how was he related to DS? Surfermay be a habringer but Black Racer is death... literally: an incarnation. They have no similarities outside of a minor aesthetic similarity.
Further Darkseid isn't a knock off of Glactus that's ridiculous. First of all DS is infinitely cooler than Galactus and they have nothing in common excep that they were made by the same person.
Kirby based Darkseid on Nixon and Jack Palance not some cosmic parasite. Highfather as his counterpart is supposed to be the common sense guy among cosmic powers.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Not everyone with a shield, but everyone from the WW2 era wielding a shield who's attributes fall close to the limits of the human range and spends a large portion of their fights bouncing around like a superball... sure.
I already said I agree in part, but the super soldier hero is not something unique to CA.
Originally posted by Allankles
Black Racer wasn't associated with DS. He existed before DS so how was he related to DS? Surfermay be a habringer but Black Racer is death... literally: an incarnation. They have no similarities outside of a minor aesthetic similarity.
Originally posted by Allankles
Further Darkseid isn't a knock off of Glactus that's ridiculous. First of all DS is infinitely cooler than Galactus and they have nothing in common excep that they were made by the same person.Kirby based Darkseid on Nixon and Jack Palance not some cosmic parasite. Highfather as his counterpart is supposed to be the common sense guy among cosmic powers.
Originally posted by Allankles
I already said I agree in part, but the super soldier hero is not something unique to CA.
Originally posted by darthgoober
They were introduced in the same issue. Hence, the association. They're similar on many levels, which is why they meshed so well in the Amalgam Universe.
They were meshed because of aesthetics and because they had the same creator. Their roles and personalities are different.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Unless I'm mistaken, Kirby has went on record as saying that he created DS to give him a Galactus to play with in DC. I know because nvr and Galen used to try to use that as evidence of DS being beyond the likes of Thanos.
In terms of placement in the cosmic hierachy and overall power in DC, not in terms of their personality/motivations/character. Of course DS is above Thanos in terms of cosmic hierachy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It was at the time. Since Superman was created, there have been numerous characters following his basic archetype and they're pretty much ALL regarded as knockoffs because he came first. Same thing applies here...
I agree, but WW2 is the only thing that ties them together. Drawing similarities with the shield would be like saying every character with a cape is a Dracula knock off.
Originally posted by Allankles
They were meshed because of aesthetics and because they had the same creator. Their roles and personalities are different.
Originally posted by Allankles
In terms of placement in the cosmic hierachy and overall power in DC, not in terms of their personality/motivations/character. Of course DS is above Thanos in terms of cosmic hierachy.
If you want to refuse to acknowledge the obvious similarities between Galactus/Surfer and DS/Black Racer then more power to you(we drifted far enough off topic), but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone else sees it and agrees with me...
Originally posted by Allankles
I agree, but WW2 is the only thing that ties them together. Drawing similarities with the shield would be like saying every character with a cape is a Dracula knock off.
By the same token, any character with "super" attributes across the board that can also fly is a Superman/Captain Marvel knockoff.
Originally posted by carver9
No and that wasnt what jlking was talking about. He's basically saying that despero would take Thors hammer to the face better than he would Hawk girls mace to the face when its plain and clear that thors hammer packs more hitting power; planet destroying, hitting power.
I agree with you, Black adam has crushed hawkmans mace in his bare hands like it was a handful of crackers. As powerful as BA is he aint doing that to thors hammer. NOt even supes is doing this. Further more doing dmg to despero is nothing new. This dude has unmeasureable strength but shit durability. Doing damge to him is not that hard. takeing his hits now thats a whole diffrent thing.