Thor and Sentry joins the jla

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If you want to refuse to acknowledge the obvious similarities between Galactus/Surfer and DS/Black Racer then more power to you(we drifted far enough off topic), but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone else sees it and agrees with me...
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Ummm.....hell nah. 😐 I completely fail to see where there is any similarity beyond some surface superficiality.

Galactus is a cosmic entity, and the sentience of a previous universe given form. Surfer is his scout, and the guy who designates which planets are next on the dinner list. You can say he's marking them for death, but that's it. He just marks them. Galactus is closer to Death than Surfer. And Surfer not only rebelled, he represents completely different character motivations and ideals than the Racer.

Darkseid is evil personified. He is the worst tyrant in the history of DC. He is an abstract concept, a god representing anti-life, totalitarianism, enslavement of everything and corruption. Galactus is NONE of these things. 😬

The Black Racer is DEATH. He is also an abstract entity, representing death for the gods. He is one of the many incarnations of Death in DC. His host was previously a broken man, paralyzed from the neck down. Only able to move in the service of his dread purpose, he cannot be stopped, he cannot be defeated. And in the end, he comes for all who cross his path.

You are arguing for a vague similarity based on some initial concept of the Racer in his first appearence with Darkseid. But even that is a stretch.

Allan is right that there is a similarity in the hierarchy. But Galactus and Darkseid operate in completely different ways and circles. Or are you just arguing the point because DS is above Thanos's petty machinations? 🙄

Originally posted by darthgoober
Glads and Supes's roles and personalities are very different. Doesn't change the fact that Glads is a knockoff.

You forgot to mention that Glads powers are exactly likes Supes which is what makes him a knockoff. There's nothing about Blackracer that is similar to Surfer except that he's used skiis as a vehicle. They have no similiarities beyond that. Their powerset etc nothing at all similar. Glads is a kryptonian through and through.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, Gladiator and Supes are completely different in regards to personality/motivation/character, it doesn't change the fact that Glads is a Supes knockoff.

Addressed above. DS and Galactus have nothing in common even down to their powers. They have zero similarities. Thanos is a Darkseid knock off in terms of his overall role as a villain. Darkseid has absolutely nothing in common with Galactus however, and was actually based on Nixon and Palance not some dude who devours the life force from worlds.

Anyway you look at the characters they have no similarities. DS may have been Kirby's "Galactus" in DC, but that was only as far as cosmic hierachy/power level is concerned. They have absolutely nothing at all in common.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The shield is one of many similarities as we've been over. But going into combat with ONLY a shield was virtually unheard of before Cap. So any "human" character(especially a soldier/patriot) who goes into combat unarmed except for a shield is a Cap knockoff.

By the same token, any character with "super" attributes across the board that can also fly is a Superman/Captain Marvel knockoff.

A shield is pretty standard as far equipment is concerned. His role as a patriot/super soldier is where the CA similarities come in, on top of his WW2 veteran status.

A shield is pretty standard, I gave you the example of the Dracula/vampire myths and their/his capes.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
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If you want to refuse to acknowledge the obvious similarities between Galactus/Surfer and DS/Black Racer then more power to you(we drifted far enough off topic), but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone else sees it and agrees with me...
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Ummm.....hell nah. 😐 I completely fail to see where there is any similarity beyond some surface superficiality.

Galactus is a cosmic entity, and the sentience of a previous universe given form. Surfer is his scout, and the guy who designates which planets are next on the dinner list. You can say he's marking them for death, but that's it. He just marks them. Galactus is closer to Death than Surfer. And Surfer not only rebelled, he represents completely different character motivations and ideals than the Racer.

Darkseid is evil personified. He is the worst tyrant in the history of DC. He is an abstract concept, a god representing anti-life, totalitarianism, enslavement of everything and corruption. Galactus is NONE of these things. 😬

The Black Racer is DEATH. He is also an abstract entity, representing death for the gods. He is one of the many incarnations of Death in DC. His host was previously a broken man, paralyzed from the neck down. Only able to move in the service of his dread purpose, he cannot be stopped, he cannot be defeated. And in the end, he comes for all who cross his path.

You are arguing for a vague similarity based on some initial concept of the Racer in his first appearence with Darkseid. But even that is a stretch.

Allan is right that there is a similarity in the hierarchy. But Galactus and Darkseid operate in completely different ways and circles. Or are you just arguing the point because DS is above Thanos's petty machinations? 🙄

Originally posted by Allankles
You forgot to mention that Glads powers are exactly likes Supes which is what makes him a knockoff. There's nothing about Blackracer that is similar to Surfer except that he's used skiis as a vehicle. They have no similiarities beyond that. Their powerset etc nothing at all similar. Glads is a kryptonian through and through.

Addressed above. DS and Galactus have nothing in common even down to their powers. They have zero similarities. Thanos is a Darkseid knock off in terms of his overall role as a villain. Darkseid has absolutely nothing in common with Galactus however, and was actually based on Nixon and Palance not some dude who devours the life force from worlds.

Anyway you look at the characters they have no similarities. DS may have been Kirby's "Galactus" in DC, but that was only as far as cosmic hierachy/power level is concerned. They have absolutely nothing at all in common.

You guys are trying to argue as if a character's "role" and/or personality are the key factors as to whether or not they're a "knockoff" character but it doesn't work like that. DS and Thanos have different powers/personalities/motivations and roles in their respective universes but that doesn't change the fact that Thanos is a DS knockoff. BR may or may not be more powerful but that doesn't matter, Supes is considered to be far more powerful than many of his copycats but they're still regarded as such even though they function on a different level of power, have different roles in their respective universes, and different backgrounds/personalities/motivations.

But like I said before, if you want to ignore the obvious in regards to the characters then be my guest...

Originally posted by Allankles
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A shield is pretty standard as far equipment is concerned. His role as a patriot/super soldier is where the CA similarities come in, on top of his WW2 veteran status.

A shield is pretty standard, I gave you the example of the Dracula/vampire myths and their/his capes.

Capes are common, always have been. And it in no way started with Drac, so he wouldn't be the "template" even if the parallel you're trying to draw applied here(which it doesn't). Shields are less common, and all but unheard of as a sole weapon before Cap.

What's more, I didn't say that Guardian was a Cap knockoff solely because of his shield, I said he was a Cap knockoff and you started talking about how not every character with a shield is a knockoff of Cap. The whole "anybody with a shield" thing was just something you cooked up in your head.

You know, I'm pretty sure I've seen a thread dedicated to sorting through knockoff characters somewhere but I can't seem to find it. So if either of you would like to continue this discussion feel free to find and bump it or start a new one because we're nowhere near the topic from Thor/Sentry and the JLA.

Originally posted by darthgoober
DS and Thanos have different powers/personalities/motivations and roles in their respective universes but that doesn't change the fact that Thanos is a DS knockoff. BR may or may not be more powerful but that doesn't matter, Supes is considered to be far more powerful than many of his copycats but they're still regarded as such even though they function on a different level of power, have different roles in their respective universes, and different backgrounds/personalities/motivations.

Thanos is a villain concerned with universal domination that is where he is similar to DS. Further Thanos creator stated that Thanos was a tribute to Darkseid.

Darkseid and Galactus have the same creator and have no similarities whatsoever. Just because Kirby made Galactus doesn't mean he had the same idea with Darkseid. He didn't, as evidence by the fact that they have nothing in common except cosmic rep.

And evidence by the fact that Kirby stated he based DS of off Nixon. Nixon was a huge inspiration for the character as was Jack Palance's villain characters. Galactus doesn't even factor there.

Darkseid and Thanos actually have enough similarities that the connection can be made. On top what's already been stated by Starlin.

Originally posted by darthgoober
f it's so standard, then I'm sure you'd have no difficulty naming some of these characters who's only notable piece of offensive/defensive equipment is a shield. I'm not denying that there've been characters of note since medieval days that used a shield, but I can't think of a single one before Cap who pretty much relied on it alone.

Capes are common, always have been. And it in no way started with Drac, so he wouldn't be the "template" even if the parallel you're trying to draw applied here(which it doesn't). Shields are less common, and all but unheard of as a sole weapon before Cap.

What's more, I didn't say that Guardian was a Cap knockoff solely because of his shield, I said he was a Cap knockoff and you started talking about how not every character with a shield is a knockoff of Cap. The whole "anybody with a shield" thing was just something you cooked up in your head.

I already said Guardian was a knockoff I just don't like it when people draw parallels off of simple aesthetical aspects. As you well know shields have been used by humans since before the Bronze age, CA's use of a shield as both weapon/defensive tool is unique but the shield itself isn't, which was my point.

Originally posted by rotiart
Superman + Sentry...
You make them mad.. Sentry throws superman into the sun.

Everybody loves Thor, Sentry? I don't even want him in the Avengers.

Thor would, no doubt, be kinda like batman where he'll spend most of his time in his home town, protecting it. Wonder Woman would be too into him and maybe join him instead of going after Batman. Sentry would probably spend most of his time with Martian Manhunter because of manhunter's mind powers. He'd have to do this just to keep from going crazy.