IceMan vs Firelord!!!!!!!

Started by Hitman91115 pages

Originally posted by Creshosk
And he wouldn't be able to move his mind without the shell why?

You think he travels by ... sound? 🤨

If they fight near any Sun. Or fighting each other would produce the effect to what happen at the end of T2 Judgement Day. Sure he has control over his molecules but the extreme heat wont allow him to manipulate it like normal. Unless scans can be produced of iceman fighting in a high heat, no atmosphere arena.....

Originally posted by Hitman911
If they fight near any Sun. Or fighting each other would produce the effect to what happen at the end of T2 Judgement Day. Sure he has control over his molecules but the extreme heat wont allow him to manipulate it like normal. Unless scans can be produced of iceman fighting in a high heat, no atmosphere arena.....
I see now why people like to respond just by posting facepalm

Go read Blair Wind's posts. Its evident you didn't read them.

he has a point though.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he has a point though.
What point is that? That its in character to have Firelord pull an opponent up to fight him in the sun? Or in space? That theres no hydrogen in the sun? That Iceman can't hide in a fire being's body? That there is no dust particle that are covered in an ice composed not of water but any other gas thats out there?

All of those are wrong.

i know all that, it's just that if they were in space: the fire lord's true element, iceman would be on the defensive due to fire lord's range and mobility advantage. if he were to be evaporated, gathering the suitable elements to rebuild his form will take too long for the fight to continue in a reasonable amount of time.

on earth (or titan, or basically any celestial body with an atmosphere rich with elements) iceman would stalemate firelord since there is always something he can utilize in a reasonable amount of time, providing he's operating at full capacity of coarse.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i know all that, it's just that if they were in space: the fire lord's true element, iceman would be on the defensive due to fire lord's range and mobility advantage. if he were to be evaporated, gathering the suitable elements to rebuild his form will take too long for the fight to continue in a reasonable amount of time.
He can still use his powers while not materialized. the destruction of his shell is not a win for firelord, because Bobby, is not killed, not KO'd and not incapacitated.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
on earth (or titan, or basically any celestial body with an atmosphere rich with elements) iceman would stalemate firelord since there is always something he can utilize in a reasonable amount of time, providing he's operating at full capacity of coarse.
Forum default is full capacity.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What point is that? That its in character to have Firelord pull an opponent up to fight him in the sun? Or in space? That theres no hydrogen in the sun? That Iceman can't hide in a fire being's body? That there is no dust particle that are covered in an ice composed not of water but any other gas thats out there?

All of those are wrong.

omg! Firelord is a COSMIC BEING!!! Every thing that makes fire what it is on earth is irrelevant to Firelord as he is fueled by the PC. There should be no arguing that FL can shatter/destroy Iceman's physical body within the first minute of battle. i think the debate is how and if Bobby in mist form ,in space can defeat a high herald who's major property is Cosmic Fire.

Originally posted by Hitman911
omg! Firelord is a COSMIC BEING!!! []/b]
Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Hitman911
[B]Every thing that makes fire what it is on earth is irrelevant to Firelord as he is fueled by the PC. There should be no arguing that FL can shatter/destroy Iceman's physical body within the first minute of battle.
That's not a win.

Originally posted by Hitman911
i think the debate is how and if Bobby in mist form ,in space can defeat a high herald who's major property is Cosmic Fire.
"mist form" You obviously don't know about the character and STILL haven't read blair's posts.

Why even bother participating in these threads if you're going to create some preconceived notion and not even bother to read what otehrs write?

stalemate, imo. i don't think bobby can take out FL and i don't see how FL takes out bobby.

Seems like half of the X-men are becoming almost as strong as Abstracts: Phoenix, Iceman, Cable, X-Man. What is up with that? It was earlier mentioned that Spider-man won Firelord. He did it barely and Firelord was holding back. Spider-man has beaten up Iceman also ... atleast twice.

Anyway ridicilous that Iceman won Oblivion ... more ridicilous than Squirrel girl beating Thanos.

Regular Iceman loses to Firelord. Firelord turns Iceman to puddle. Also how can Iceman do anything to someone who can survive in cold space. Do you know how cold it is in space? Well, it is around 2.7 Kelvin, if you go far enough from any background radiation ... sun and shit.

Whenever in space Firelord is already fighting against temperatures Iceman can produce. Firelord wins.

Originally posted by Lostedge
Seems like half of the X-men are becoming almost as strong as Abstracts: Phoenix, Iceman, Cable, X-Man. What is up with that? It was earlier mentioned that Spider-man won Firelord. He did it barely and Firelord was holding back. Spider-man has beaten up Iceman also ... atleast twice.

Anyway ridicilous that Iceman won Oblivion ... more ridicilous than Squirrel girl beating Thanos.

Regular Iceman loses to Firelord. Firelord turns Iceman to puddle. Also how can Iceman do anything to someone who can survive in cold space. Do you know how cold it is in space? Well, it is around 2.7 Kelvin, if you go far enough from any background radiation ... sun and shit.

Whenever in space Firelord is already fighting against temperatures Iceman can produce. Firelord wins.

facepalm

"They lose because they're X-Men and despite Grant morrison stating on panel that mutants were being desgined by the celestials to evolve into the next universes abstracts when this one dies, they're just X-men and have no business taking on cosmics.. just because they're cosmics."

Destroying Iceman's shell is NOT a win.

The best conclusion is a stalemate unless they're fighting at their absolute best then you have to believe that Firelord>Celestials to think that Firelord even stands a chance.

Originally posted by Creshosk
facepalm

"They lose because they're X-Men. They're just X-men and have no business taking on cosmics.. just because they're cosmics."

Originally posted by Creshosk
facepalm

no, sometimes, SERIOUSLY, that's all you can do. seriously.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, sometimes, SERIOUSLY, that's all you can do. seriously.
Yeah, I'm getting that.

Shouldn't the power cosmic theoritically allow firelord to manipulate the same forces that Bobby can?

^ no, galacus' touch basically turned pyreus kril of xandar into a miniature star.

So the power cosmic doesn't allow firelord the same powers of energy, matter and molecular manipulation as the Surfer and other Heralds?

Originally posted by dmills
So the power cosmic doesn't allow firelord the same powers of energy, matter and molecular manipulation as the Surfer and other Heralds?
Not all heralds are created equal. which is why we have different herald level tiers.

Cool.

Firelord can project any form of energy possessed by a star such as heat, light, gravity, radio waves and charged particles.
Kril FTW