Originally posted by CreshoskIf they fight near any Sun. Or fighting each other would produce the effect to what happen at the end of T2 Judgement Day. Sure he has control over his molecules but the extreme heat wont allow him to manipulate it like normal. Unless scans can be produced of iceman fighting in a high heat, no atmosphere arena.....
And he wouldn't be able to move his mind without the shell why?You think he travels by ... sound? 🤨
Originally posted by Hitman911I see now why people like to respond just by posting facepalm
If they fight near any Sun. Or fighting each other would produce the effect to what happen at the end of T2 Judgement Day. Sure he has control over his molecules but the extreme heat wont allow him to manipulate it like normal. Unless scans can be produced of iceman fighting in a high heat, no atmosphere arena.....
Go read Blair Wind's posts. Its evident you didn't read them.
Originally posted by psycho gundamWhat point is that? That its in character to have Firelord pull an opponent up to fight him in the sun? Or in space? That theres no hydrogen in the sun? That Iceman can't hide in a fire being's body? That there is no dust particle that are covered in an ice composed not of water but any other gas thats out there?
he has a point though.
All of those are wrong.
i know all that, it's just that if they were in space: the fire lord's true element, iceman would be on the defensive due to fire lord's range and mobility advantage. if he were to be evaporated, gathering the suitable elements to rebuild his form will take too long for the fight to continue in a reasonable amount of time.
on earth (or titan, or basically any celestial body with an atmosphere rich with elements) iceman would stalemate firelord since there is always something he can utilize in a reasonable amount of time, providing he's operating at full capacity of coarse.
Originally posted by psycho gundamHe can still use his powers while not materialized. the destruction of his shell is not a win for firelord, because Bobby, is not killed, not KO'd and not incapacitated.
i know all that, it's just that if they were in space: the fire lord's true element, iceman would be on the defensive due to fire lord's range and mobility advantage. if he were to be evaporated, gathering the suitable elements to rebuild his form will take too long for the fight to continue in a reasonable amount of time.
Originally posted by psycho gundamForum default is full capacity.
on earth (or titan, or basically any celestial body with an atmosphere rich with elements) iceman would stalemate firelord since there is always something he can utilize in a reasonable amount of time, providing he's operating at full capacity of coarse.
Originally posted by Creshoskomg! Firelord is a COSMIC BEING!!! Every thing that makes fire what it is on earth is irrelevant to Firelord as he is fueled by the PC. There should be no arguing that FL can shatter/destroy Iceman's physical body within the first minute of battle. i think the debate is how and if Bobby in mist form ,in space can defeat a high herald who's major property is Cosmic Fire.
What point is that? That its in character to have Firelord pull an opponent up to fight him in the sun? Or in space? That theres no hydrogen in the sun? That Iceman can't hide in a fire being's body? That there is no dust particle that are covered in an ice composed not of water but any other gas thats out there?All of those are wrong.
Originally posted by Hitman911Irrelevant.
omg! Firelord is a COSMIC BEING!!! []/b]
Originally posted by Hitman911That's not a win.
[B]Every thing that makes fire what it is on earth is irrelevant to Firelord as he is fueled by the PC. There should be no arguing that FL can shatter/destroy Iceman's physical body within the first minute of battle.
Originally posted by Hitman911"mist form" You obviously don't know about the character and STILL haven't read blair's posts.
i think the debate is how and if Bobby in mist form ,in space can defeat a high herald who's major property is Cosmic Fire.
Why even bother participating in these threads if you're going to create some preconceived notion and not even bother to read what otehrs write?
Seems like half of the X-men are becoming almost as strong as Abstracts: Phoenix, Iceman, Cable, X-Man. What is up with that? It was earlier mentioned that Spider-man won Firelord. He did it barely and Firelord was holding back. Spider-man has beaten up Iceman also ... atleast twice.
Anyway ridicilous that Iceman won Oblivion ... more ridicilous than Squirrel girl beating Thanos.
Regular Iceman loses to Firelord. Firelord turns Iceman to puddle. Also how can Iceman do anything to someone who can survive in cold space. Do you know how cold it is in space? Well, it is around 2.7 Kelvin, if you go far enough from any background radiation ... sun and shit.
Whenever in space Firelord is already fighting against temperatures Iceman can produce. Firelord wins.
Originally posted by Lostedgefacepalm
Seems like half of the X-men are becoming almost as strong as Abstracts: Phoenix, Iceman, Cable, X-Man. What is up with that? It was earlier mentioned that Spider-man won Firelord. He did it barely and Firelord was holding back. Spider-man has beaten up Iceman also ... atleast twice.Anyway ridicilous that Iceman won Oblivion ... more ridicilous than Squirrel girl beating Thanos.
Regular Iceman loses to Firelord. Firelord turns Iceman to puddle. Also how can Iceman do anything to someone who can survive in cold space. Do you know how cold it is in space? Well, it is around 2.7 Kelvin, if you go far enough from any background radiation ... sun and shit.
Whenever in space Firelord is already fighting against temperatures Iceman can produce. Firelord wins.
"They lose because they're X-Men and despite Grant morrison stating on panel that mutants were being desgined by the celestials to evolve into the next universes abstracts when this one dies, they're just X-men and have no business taking on cosmics.. just because they're cosmics."
Destroying Iceman's shell is NOT a win.
The best conclusion is a stalemate unless they're fighting at their absolute best then you have to believe that Firelord>Celestials to think that Firelord even stands a chance.