The problem is you only have the latest Underworld really to go by for feats. While he kicked the shit out of Victor and every other vampire he came across I don't see him doing that to Creed. In the first Underworld he didn't really do much at all which is well a shame. Feat wise in X-Men and Origins, Creed showed more I'd say. Just my opinion though.
Originally posted by Kaibs
... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut we can't go off common sense and lore a lot since it's feats only yeah? This has worked against me a few times in threads so I feel your pain bro.
I guess it all depends on the situation. There probably shouldn't be a hard and fast rule, but based on on common sense and rationality. But then again, people will abuse it and thats probably why the rule is there in the first place.
A mod making a call on each case might work, but theres only Impediment and he can't go through all of them so...
Anyway, back to the topic, I think either can win, both can impale the other. If it comes down to swipe for swipe, Sabretooth will probably do more damage with his claws, but Lucian is stronger and his blows more forceful.
I was debating Vampires vs Werewolves in general with some people recently and a feat came up where a random Lycan in Underworld (1) powered through a concrete wall, that was quite impressive.
I'd lean towards Sabretooth if X-men 1 feats are allowed.
I don't see why X 1 Feats wouldn't be allowed as they're the same person technically so they're canon. And yeah I remember the random lycans doing actually a lot of decent feats in the movies, but they weren't Lucian unfortunately.
And yes I do agree that a mod making the call for each case being the best choice however I also know that Imp wouldn't be able to do every thread like you said too so that kind of is out the window.
Back on topic I agree that Sabretooth would win, but not by much.
I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.
A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.
So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.
Originally posted by KaibsXI, the first movie? Or Origins?
I don't see why X 1 Feats wouldn't be allowed as they're the same person technically so they're canon. And yeah I remember the random lycans doing actually a lot of decent feats in the movies, but they weren't Lucian unfortunately.And yes I do agree that a mod making the call for each case being the best choice however I also know that Imp wouldn't be able to do every thread like you said too so that kind of is out the window.
Back on topic I agree that Sabretooth would win, but not by much.
Originally posted by KingD19
I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.
So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.
Now see that would be using logic and common sense, and a lot of that doesn't get used round these parts lol. But yes I totally agree, but with forum vs rules applied it's not applicable.
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He didn't want the hybrid to beat victor.
Yes, actually, he did.
Kraven: "How do you expect me to assume control now that Viktor's awake? There's no defeating him. He grows stronger as we speak."
Lucian: "And that is precisely why I need Michael."
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For whatever reason, between the Rise of the Lycans and the first Underworld movie, Lucian operated under the opinion that he was no match for Viktor in a fight.
This isn't entirely unbelievable: Viktor isn't a superb fighter like Lucian, but does seem to enjoy a clear advantage in raw physical ability.
Originally posted by KingD19
I honestly don't see why it has to be Lucian.A lycan performed the feat, while in lycan form. And all of those lycans were far weaker than Lucian......if a young lycan can do it, Lucian can do it and better.
So even without feats from him, we know that if a young lycan barreled through a wall, Lucian can do at least that.
Thank you, you just made my point if all the mutants in the X-men movies had all there strengths and feats which when i think about it they all did, then why cant Sabertooth? the only reason why they didn't use him alot in the 1st movie is cause he was EXACTLY who Sabertooth was and which is very unappealing to the public that doesn't know who he really is, for 1 he doesn't have much to say 2 hes an assassin that only works alone.
Origins Creed would get completely outclassed by Lucian. Lucian's already strong, fast and agile enough to keep up with Origins Creed without going into Werewolf form. And frankly, he's quite obviously a better fighter too.
Aside from that he looks like he has a better healing factor than Origins Creed who... was really kinda pathetic in all honesty.
X1 Tooth has a much better chance at taking a win or two but I hesitate to give him a majority either.
And yeah, you really should allow Lucian the feats of all Lycan's underneath him. He's the strongest of the Lycans, it doesn't make sense to abandon the feats of his underlings and be willfully ignorant.