Originally posted by Advent
[B]Well, let's consider that the Jedi in the PT era hadn't seen the Sith in a millennium; most of the Jedi were trained for diplomacy rather than fending off dark side techniques. While I don't doubt the higher ups like Windu, the rest of the Council, etc. would have been familiar with some of the more modern abilities, it stands to reason they wouldn't have had access to ancient Sith teachings that had been considered lost throughout the ages. Especially since most Sith themselves knew nothing of them.
Stands to reason? Given they had access to things like Sith Holocrons predating Exar, then it stands to reason they may not be as unfamiliar as you might think.
Considering Palpatine himself had access to the Telos Holocron, which had Naga himself as a gatekeepers, and had it at least when he was training Dooku, given he recorded Dooku as a gatekeeper as well? Then he certainly does have Sadow's knowledge
Basically all the techniques known shown by Sadow, Nadd, or Aleema. That would include: ripping spirits from a victim's body (seen against post-DE Luke, who had no defense for it - not even raw power),
the ability to incinerate a person from the inside out (Gantoris),
a Force drain variant, assorted Sith magics such as control over another's body, energy blasts, and illusions (demonstrated against Aleema and the Senate), and so on and so forth.
Of course, that's only a taste of what Kun has up his sleeve. I believe the TOTJ Sourcebook lists and defines a lot more powers that were known to Sadow/Nadd, and thus Exar.
I wasn't suggesting Exar would defeat Windu in a pure contest of blades. Just that, in that category, it's very close to call, but that Exar could definitely hold his own.
Why does everything get turned into a Palpatine issue? He's not even in his thread!
Stands to reason? Given they had access to things like Sith Holocrons predating Exar, then it stands to reason they may not be as unfamiliar as you might think.
Care to substantiate what was contained in these supposed holocrons, Lightsnake? For all we know, it was Massassi children's crappy artwork.
The Sith and those knowledgeable in their lore have always considered a large portion of their abilities "forgotten". Forgive me if I don't see Jedi, ignorant of the Sith for a millenium, finding out the most prized secrets of one of the most powerful ancient Sith.
Considering Palpatine himself
Sidious possibly knowing a few abilities somehow supports the Jedi possibly knowing them? That doesn't make any sense, especially since less than a handful of Jedi fought Sidious, and never has he displayed anything extraordinary in those fights.
Also, "most Sith themselves knew nothing of them" means just that. Most. Not all (giving Sidious the benefit of the doubt partially).
had access to the Telos Holocron, which had Naga himself as a gatekeepers, and had it at least when he was training Dooku, given he recorded Dooku as a gatekeeper as well? Then he certainly does have Sadow's knowledge
That's a huge stretch as there's no information as to what was actually in the holocron. Automatically assuming it had every single Sith secret that Sadow knew is baseless. Did it possess the entirety of Sidious', Ajunta Pall's, and Bane's knowledge, too? If so, that's a pretty big holocron...and leap of faith.
And all the techniques mentioned were ancient Sith techniques that only Sadow (and Simus?) would have known (and by extension, those who learned from his teachings). By right, they are "mythical, lost techniques" considering it's stated that "it's unlikely any records survived on Yavin IV or otherwise", a line immediately following my previous quote from Jedi Academy Sourcebook (same ch, pg). The fact that they "died with Kun" indicates as much.
Originally posted by Advent
Why does everything get turned into a Palpatine issue? He's not even in his thread!
Care to substantiate what was contained in these supposed holocrons, Lightsnake? For all we know, it was Massassi children's crappy artwork.
The Sith and those knowledgeable in their lore have always considered a large portion of their abilities "forgotten". Forgive me if I don't see Jedi, ignorant of the Sith for a millenium, finding out the most prized secrets of one of the most powerful ancient Sith.
Sidious possibly knowing a few abilities somehow supports the Jedi possibly knowing them? That doesn't make any sense, especially since less than a handful of Jedi fought Sidious, and never has he displayed anything extraordinary in those fights.
Also, "most Sith themselves knew nothing of them" means just that. Most. Not all (giving Sidious the benefit of the doubt partially).
That's a huge stretch as there's no information as to what was actually in the holocron. Automatically assuming it had every single Sith secret that Sadow knew is baseless.
Did it possess the entirety of Sidious', Ajunta Pall's, and Bane's knowledge, too? If so, that's a pretty big holocron...and leap of faith.
And all the techniques mentioned were ancient Sith techniques that only Sadow (and Simus?) would have known (and by extension, those who learned from his teachings).
By right, they are "mythical, lost techniques" considering it's stated that "it's unlikely any records survived on Yavin IV or otherwise", a line immediately following my previous quote from Jedi Academy Sourcebook (same ch, pg). The fact that they "died with Kun" indicates as much.
And given that Naga's knowledge is very much alive in the form of his gatekeeper, seems that's incorrect.
And further problem is little of what we've seen with Kun as a swordsman indicates he'll be able to take out Mace
Originally posted by AdventIt's what she really meant.
[No, don't just be sorry,] think for one [f/ucking] second. [What the f/uck are you doing? Are you professional or not? Do I f/ucking walk around and rip - no, shut the f/uck up Bruce, do I - no! NO! Don't shut me up! Am I going to walk around and rip your f/ucking lights down? In the middle of a scene? Then why the f/uck are you walking right through, 'a-tada-tada' like this in the background, what the f/uck is it with you? What don't you f/ucking understand? You got any f/ucking idea about - Hey! It's f/ucking distracting having somebody saying Mace solos in the middle of the f/ucking day.GIMME A F/UCKING ANSWER!