Tekken vs Street Fighter

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
it's embedded. look again.

Each every of his hadouken is as strong as his punch or maybe more powerful. But with that much zankuu hadouken (which is obviously much stronger than his normal punch) he can't even create something more than an island buster. that strike is not enough to bust an island.

It's probably kongoukokuretsuzan. He performed the same stance, the same crack on the island. Or if not, he focused all of his of power on his fist and shattered the island base.

P.S : You can talk all you want about you are a better debater or not. In real life I don't like debating someone. so yes, you are probably a better debater. But you can't even explain how could a normal punch shattered an island while a much powerful force created something which is too weak for island buster.

2. Most likely more powerful considering only Ryu's Hadouken is a well-landed kick, Gouki uses the Gou Hadouken, a more powerful, lethal variation. You need to read. Collateral damage is not realistic in fiction, you are nit-picking.

3. A technique that was created years later? Same stance? Exactly how many ways can you punch the ground? And the KKZ starts with his hand in the air, it is the trademark, if I recall right he is calling on power from the heavens.

You can argue he focused more power in his fist, sure. No proof of it, but more probable than KKZ.

4. I kind of already did.

If you were offended by my post to you, I apologise, but you were condescending to me over confusion with the name of a technique, this you must admit.

Originally posted by Sado22
only that they can stand far away and choke him to death and laugh at him for being so stupid 😂

as for the 0% thing, well, tiamat uses info from canon sources and interviews. so, yeah, he's credible.

No, not as credible as the sources themselves, plus he even admits conjecture (his own oppinion) to most of it. Now, since there is no official statement ANYWHERE reguarding ki blasts being the way he described, it is only his oppinion that it is so, why are you taking it as official proof rather than the conjecture that it is?

As for Force Choke BS, try proving that it workson a non-koed opponent, then we'll talk.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. No. It's not.

2. Most likely more powerful considering only Ryu's Hadouken is a well-landed kick, Gouki uses the Gou Hadouken, a more powerful, lethal variation. You need to read. Collateral damage is not realistic in fiction, you are nit-picking.

3. A technique that was created years later? Same stance? Exactly how many ways can you punch the ground? And the KKZ starts with his hand in the air, it is the trademark, if I recall right he is calling on power from the heavens.

You can argue he focused more power in his fist, sure. No proof of it, but more probable than KKZ.

4. I kind of already did.

If you were offended by my post to you, I apologise, but you were condescending to me over confusion with the name of a technique, this you must admit.

1. Alright, you may try again. But now just click on the video so the video will play on youtube.

YouTube video

2. That's why I said it's as strong as his punches. and I'm talking about damage here (and it was caused by the same effect). If a normal punch destroyed an island, then his TGZ at least had more than just an island busting attack. But it didn't happened.

3. He developed it. Not created it. And I told you before that it's probably KKZ or he focused all of his power in one strike and smashed the island's base.

4. My apologize if my words offended you too.

Kiri... it's a completely different kind of attack... Why are you insisting on using this to guage an island buster punch? your reffering to an energy projectile attack... Read my earlier post.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Kiri... it's a completely different kind of attack... Why are you insisting on using this to guage an island buster punch? your reffering to an energy projectile attack... Read my earlier post.

It's the different kind of attack with the same effects. Maybe this would help.

Ryu
Hadouken - About the same temp as the human body. Feels like getting hit by
a nice solid kick. Once hit by this, the damage stays for a vey long time.
Shakunetsu Hadouken - The same temp as hot water. Not enough to burn cloths.

Ken's Hadouken - Neither hot nor cold. Feels like a nice solid punch. The
damage doesn't stay like Ryu's.

Sakura's Hadouken - Is very warm, not as hot as Ken's. The effect varies on
which type. Small - Feels like a hard slap. Medium - same as Ken's. Large -
Same as Ryu's.

Gouki's Gou Hadouken - About the same temperature as the human body. Same kind as Ryu's but much greater in power and effect.

Dan's Gadouken - Very warm. Feels like a slap.

Yoga Fire - Same temperature as boiling hot water. The damage feels kinda
like the same feeling you get when you eat something very, very
spicy.(Curry)

Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The
temperature is freezing cold.

Kikouken - About the temperature of a warm bath. The hit doesn't feel like a
solid hit but more of an effect that affects the whole body.

Soul Spark - Isn't cold or hot. The hit itself isn't hard at all but it
makes the area it hit very numb.

Psycho Shot - Very, very hot. And the hit will burn the area it hits
instantly and makes it very numb.

taken from hadouken no nazo.

good job, kriz. lets see them talk now.

1. Because he is condescending to me and trolling me because I could not associate the name of one of Gouki's moves to the actual attack, try to let this sink into your brain, I know you're a little slow, but you can get through this.

2. Debates are intellectual stimulating. Obviously. Not to mention the fact that nowhere did I mention in my declaration of superior intellect videogames. Learn to read.

3. His facts are not factual. Simple.

4. I left the thread because you continue to claim the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. We will never agree, why would I waste my time arguing about it?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. Alright, you may try again. But now just click on the video so the video will play on youtube.

YouTube video

2. That's why I said it's as strong as his punches. and I'm talking about damage here (and it was caused by the same effect). If a normal punch destroyed an island, then his TGZ at least had more than just an island busting attack. But it didn't happened.

3. He developed it. Not created it. And I told you before that it's probably KKZ or he focused all of his power in one strike and smashed the island's base.

4. My apologize if my words offended you too.

2. ...Based on the evidence you just provided, it is not even as strong as Balrog's punches. 😐 No, seriously, I had no idea projectiles in SF were that damn weak. I mean Jesus lol, only as hot as the human body?

3. I disagree, I do not see any evidence of either, until it is proven to be something else, why should we assume it to be more than a punch? It does not do the same thing as KKZ, which splits, his punch shattered. As for the gathering his power in one strike, I still disagree, as that is by definition what the KKZ is.

4. No problem.

Originally posted by Sado22
good job, kriz. lets see them talk now.

he wasn't trolling. you post a stupid, biased, untrue comment and expected it to fly. he shoves some proof down your throat but you just decide to screw around with him. he even posted the vid for you to see and KNEW what vid he was talking about. but you kept being a jerk.

you said you were more intellectual that him or something along those lines. i mentioned the whole stupidity of pretending to be superior in a videogame thread

your facts are dumb. he's basing his on something. you're basing it on some crap ending that proves me right about as much as it proves you wrong. too bad you never have the guts to actually see the argument through and instead just run away.

at least stick around and see it through. maybe it knock some sense into your skull.

2. I say that Gouki's punch can kill anyone here in one shot. Show me ONE scrap of evidence that can suggest they can survive a punch that can destroy Gotenkou, because that is what I am basing my stance on. Also, the calcs were done for this a little while back, but there would be 50 tons of pressure on Gouki's body 1,000 meters under the water. Show me anyone here dishing that kind of damage.

3. Before I address this, to be serious, I don't much appreciate the White-Knighting to be perfectly honest. Kriz and I had a disagreement. We both settled it like mature individuals, and it is now done with. It had NOTHING to do with you, so butt your head the hell out.

I made the claim as a general statement, nothing to do with videogames or forums.

It was also clearly an insult. I do not know nor care if I am more intelligent than Kriz, when I felt he insulted me, I insulted him, that is it.

Don't be so dense.

4. Facts?

We know that Gouki punched an island. We know the island disappeared, which means it was destroyed(probably shattered) or sunk.

It being the KKZ, or anything but a punch, is SPECULATION, not fact.

Him punching and sinking/destroying an island is fact, nothing more, you are the ones speculating, not I.

5. Just because I do not post does not mean I do not read the thread. Obviously.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Yes I know what vid you are talking, the SFIV short fight between Gouki and Ryu correct?

2. ...Based on the evidence you just provided, it is not even as strong as Balrog's punches. 😐 No, seriously, I had no idea projectiles in SF were that damn weak. I mean Jesus lol, only as hot as the human body?

3. I disagree, I do not see any evidence of either, until it is proven to be something else, why should we assume it to be more than a punch? It does not do the same thing as KKZ, which splits, his punch shattered. As for the gathering his power in one strike, I still disagree, as that is by definition what the KKZ is.

4. No problem.

1. Right.

2. Balrog's punch? You mean the one which killed an elephant? if so, it's not a normal punch either and IIRC you said it's a gigaton punch or crazy buffalo. I think Balrog normal punch is still weaker than Gouki's punch.

3. SF plot guide states it. And Tiamat didn't add "[conjecture]" on it about Gouki developed it. And the crack caused by KKZ is not only one. but more than one. No wonder the island destroyed by his punch. and about the crack, here it is.

So, Your essentially saying a variable wavelength energy attack is the same as solid blunt force trauma from the fist impact are the same thing based on HNN?

My god man, we see that the Ki shots cause explosions, which is VERY different from concentrated force of impact caused by a fist impact. The explosions would utterly LESSEN the amount of energy being directed on the actual target, Conservation of Energy laws dictate that A: Loss of energy due to expansive force from the Hadouken would be significantly LESS than a concerted application on a much smaller area of impact. Meaning more of the force of the punch would be concentrated on any hit target than an explosive impact from the Hadouken.

This is why Sabot rounds are more effective against Tank Armour than a Tank Shell would be. Concentrated application of force, it's the same thing here.

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Oh BTW Neme, it was stated in the 50 Megatonne range, not 50 tonne.

...1,000 meters under the ocean would apply 50 megatonnes on your body?

I find that difficult to believe.

Oh and Kriz, I will address your post tomorrow. It is way too late for me to be addressing a post that long lol...I should not even be up, yet alone posting.

I disagree, I do not see any evidence of either, until it is proven to be something else, why should we assume it to be more than a punch? It does not do the same thing as KKZ, which splits, his punch shattered. As for the gathering his power in one strike, I still disagree, as that is by definition what the KKZ is.

in SFA2 ending we see:
-akuma punching the ground
-no lightning but that can be explained in two ways 1) it's an in-game effect 2) it's a still shot and doesn't actuall show akuma doing the move
-clearly a punch and not a chop
-a raging ki is around akuma
-what it does to the island is unknown, heck, what even happens to the island is unknown and we all know fully well how badly capcom of USA fvcks translations up. its practically a fact. when a panoramic view of the island is shown, it is basically several rocky mountains and since we all know, rocky mountains can tumble down pretty easiliy.

in SF3GI ending we see:
-akuma punching the ground
-no lighting again
-clealry a punch and not a chop
-about as much as ki as the SFA2 ending
-as many cracks near akuma's fist as in SFA2 ending
-the rock is split in half......but more like BROKEN in half like how you would against a marble slab or a brick with enough truama.

now, lets stop pretending that they are NOT the same thing when its obvious that they are.

the punch in SFA2
look at the cracks around his arm and bear in mind that this is clearly a rock, and hence, rigid and very likely to fall apart, terrain. notice also the ki displayed.
oh and notice also, the glowing ki around Akuma's arm. so much for you bullshite claims about it being just a punch, eh nemeSIS?

the island

now compare to SF3 GI punch:
similar ki explosion, similar cracks, similar motion and he already says he's perfecting the technique which pretty much seems like he knows it but is rehearsing it

So, Your essentially saying a variable wavelength energy attack is the same as solid blunt force trauma from the fist impact are the same thing based on HNN?

My god man, we see that the Ki shots cause explosions, which is VERY different from concentrated force of impact caused by a fist impact.

You know that those are the same effect with different kind of attacks. And if fists can't caused an explosions (at least in SF universe), then explain to me how could Gouki's punch caused an explosion on that island? A normal punch won't do any explosion and just like Sado said, it's because of a ki. Any other explanation than if that's KKZ? Or maybe just like I said, he focused every of his might and punch the island?

The explosions would utterly LESSEN the amount of energy being directed on the actual target, Conservation of Energy laws dictate that A: Loss of energy due to expansive force from the Hadouken would be significantly LESS than a concerted application on a much smaller area of impact. Meaning more of the force of the punch would be concentrated on any hit target than an explosive impact from the Hadouken.

...So you think that Gou hadouken is weaker than his actual punch? even after it was stated that his Gou Hadouken is similar to Ryu but with greater power? And I'm not even talking about gou hadouken. It's TGZ which caused a rain of gou hadouken.

ditto, you can even see flaming ki glowing at his hands in the SFA2 ending. not a regular punch.

It's a shame that you don't see the energy, only the impact and molten rock around his fist.

And if you compare that the the explosions caused by the Tenma Gou Zankuu, then your vision is impaired.

You can see that there is a concentration of force directed in a MUCH smaller area.

Like I said before, Goukentou sinking (And for that matter Uluru splitting ) wasn't caused by explosions.

And I'm saying that the Zankuu Hadoukens are NOT similar to punches in application, no matter what they 'feel' like to living targets.

It's a shame that you don't see the energy, only the impact and molten rock around his fist.

Like I said before, Goukentou sinking (And for that matter Uluru splitting ) wasn't caused by explosions.

And I'm saying that the Zankuu Hadoukens are NOT similar to punches in application, no matter what they 'feel' like to living targets.

And if you compare that the the explosions caused by the Tenma Gou Zankuu, then your vision is impaired. You can see that there is a concentration of force directed in a MUCH smaller area.

heck, gouki and gouken's fight barely did any damage to the ground around them even though they were going all out.

~Sado