Originally posted by I-Drop
What proof is there that PQQ is better than wrestling? Many of the pretty martial arts are useless in a real scrap
Well considering that Tina is practically featless and has no known victories during the tournaments to my recollection and the fact that Helena at best stalemated Christie says her PQQ is better than Tina's wrestling.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, Ryu Hayabusa is the strongest character in DOA.
Originally posted by Raidou
What is the hierarchy of the other characters?1) - Kasumi
2) - Hayabusa
3) - Hayate
4) - Ayane
As for Tina vs Helena, it's hard to judge. Neither have done anything memorable, but we are left to believe Helena took down Christie in 3. Then again, Tina must have beaten Bass at some point considering her career switches were successful.
If we judge only by feats, it is probably a draw.
If we consider the games as a whole(hierarchy,etc), Helena would probably win if they fought.
Any plot guides for DOA? I lost touch w/them after Sony lost DOA to microsoft, but I still like the series
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!In real fights? Examples? Some wrestlers are pretty technical & have real cred. Look @Inoki & Brock Lesner & Kurt Angle. A really good grappler would normally have the advantage over most other martial arts(most, not all). PQQ looks like it would be pretty & pretty useless in a real scrap. As far as video games go, I don't really see where on style is better than the other. I just happen to be better w/Tina. Is Helena ranked higher than her in vg tourneys?
[b]Wrestling is a pretty clumsy technique. Most martial arts that focus on agility and light moves rather than strength should have the edge. [/B]
Originally posted by I-Drop
Any plot guides for DOA? I lost touch w/them after Sony lost DOA to microsoft, but I still like the series In real fights? Examples? Some wrestlers are pretty technical & have real cred. Look @Inoki & Brock Lesner & Kurt Angle. A really good grappler would normally have the advantage over most other martial arts(most, not all). PQQ looks like it would be pretty & pretty useless in a real scrap. As far as video games go, I don't really see where on style is better than the other. I just happen to be better w/Tina. Is Helena ranked higher than her in vg tourneys?
I don't know about real world PQQ but I know Helena's PQQ must be dope if she can fight Christie and not die. There is nothing that suggests that Tina and Bass's wrestling is real and not for show. I can't think of an actual canonical victory she has over anyone.
Originally posted by StyleTimeThere is a reason why Ayane was only a messenger when Ryu Hayabusa was taking down the Vigoorian Empire.
I can understand why you'd say this, and it is a complicated issue; however, he was only the strongest in 2.Hayate has always been the lowest ninja. Ayane, Kasumi, and Hayabusa are basically interchangeable. Their ranking changes with each game.
Looking at all their accomplishments, Ryu Hayabusa is obviously the strongest.
As a member of the DOA community, you can take my word for it when I say Helena. She completely outclasses Tina in every conceivable way in the game, except throws. Though this is debatable because Helena has a guaranteed ground game after her BKO throw that has massive reward for little risk. Tina, however, has a 6 frame punishing throw and overall more damage per grapple.
Story wise (gameplay aside), Helena has accomplished more. Tina's story line is generally not cannon as it both conflicts with other character's stories and is irrelevant to the main plot. Helena is the main character in DOA4. Tina has yet to do anything.
Originally posted by Raidou
This hierarchy .. An example .. The hierarchy is the order or range of characters .. The hierarchy of Boss end:1) - Alpha 152
2) - Omega-Genra
3) - Tengu
4) - Raidou (Raidou is the Boss of a low category)
What is the hierarchy of the other characters?
1) - Kasumi
2) - Hayabusa
3) - Hayate
4) - Ayane
5) -?
6) -?
7) -?
8) -?
9) -?
10) -?
11) -?
12) -?
13) -?
14) -?
15) -?
Where is the source/proof/evidence suggestiong that Genra > Tengu?
Also Ayane >>> Hayate.
And I have my doubts about placing Kasumi above Hayabusa, but I have no problem with it since they are pretty much on the same level.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Helena surviving a clash with Christie is sufficient for me to deem her victorious here. [/B]
And what gives Christie such a high status? She hasn't accomplished much herself.
Helena should get props for besting Ryu and Ayane when they invaded. Ayane has won a tournament and fights Kasumi regularly.
Originally posted by Zack FairHow?
And I have my doubts about placing Kasumi above Hayabusa, but I have no problem with it since they are pretty much on the same level.
The type of things Ryu Hayabusa has battled would make the very strongest boss of DOA shit itself.
Has Ryu Hayabusa ever even lost a fight in DOA?
Originally posted by Konton
And what gives Christie such a high status? She hasn't accomplished much herself.Helena should get props for besting Ryu and Ayane when they invaded. Ayane has won a tournament and fights Kasumi regularly.
She's a successful hand-to-hand assassin. Say what you want, but in my book, that puts her above Tina. At least Christie kills for a living.
Originally posted by Konton
And what gives Christie such a high status? She hasn't accomplished much herself.Helena should get props for besting Ryu and Ayane when they invaded. Ayane has won a tournament and fights Kasumi regularly.
The fact that Donovan doesn't hire idiots or nameless assassins. He hired Bayman didn't he?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually Bayman considers her an amateur if I recall right.Tina beat Bass. Say what you want about Bass, but physically, that guy is friggin strong. Beating him is an accomplishment.
Yeah he does, but that doesn't change who she is. They were both hired by Donovan, and she hasn't really shown any failure in her part as an assassin.
When did she beat Bass? I only recall their fight in DOA 1 where she lost. She changed careers because they never made an agreement on if he won that she would stay a wrestler.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Bayman is awesome. He has that right. [/B]
Originally posted by NemeBro
True. Bayman is the most amazing person like, ever.
You two are now my favorite people here. I love Bayman.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix1. Yeah but, Bayman is like, THE assassin of DOA.
Yeah he does, but that doesn't change who she is. They were both hired by Donovan, and she hasn't really shown any failure in her part as an assassin.When did she beat Bass? I only recall their fight in DOA 1 where she lost. She changed careers because they never made an agreement on if he won that she would stay a wrestler.
2. DOA2 and 4.
Although thinking about it, I doubt he fought his daughter his hardest.
But yes, Bayman, is made of ridiculous win.