Oh snap, forgot about this thread.
Originally posted by Konton
Story wise (gameplay aside), Helena has accomplished more. Tina's story line is generally not cannon as it both conflicts with other character's stories and is irrelevant to the main plot. Helena is the main character in DOA4. Tina has yet to do anything.
Originally posted by I-Drop
Any plot guides for DOA? I lost touch w/them after Sony lost DOA to microsoft, but I still like the series In real fights? Is Helena ranked higher than her in vg tourneys?
Originally posted by NemeBro
There is a reason why Ayane was only a messenger when Ryu Hayabusa was taking down the Vigoorian Empire.Looking at all their accomplishments, Ryu Hayabusa is obviously the strongest.
Like I said, it's a complicated issue. You're not necessarily wrong, but your statement is a little rigid within the context of this thread. If we were matching DOA fighters against fighters from other series, I'd be right with you and select Hayabusa as the best bet. This is due to the fact that he has a solo game which provides more showings in a debate. Within the DOA universe however, the ninja are consistantly portrayed as equals. Each ninja has moments where he or she is the dominant ninja in the hiearchy. For example, Hayabusa was the top dog in DOA2. Ayane even failed to defeat someone that Hayabusa beat. Despite this and in the very next game, Hayabusa failed to defeat someone Ayane ran straight through. Ayane was actually the "strongest" in DOA3 while Hayabusa was the "weakest." The power level of the ninja seems directly related to their motivation.
Again, you're not wrong. In a feat war, Hayabusa would come out on top against his peers. However, we also have to regard the events of DOA with a high degree credibility in this instance, especially since they directly address some of these matchups.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Has Ryu Hayabusa ever even lost a fight in DOA?
Now that I think about it, Ayane is the only ninja to consecutively take out three DOA top tiers. I'm not trying to overrated her, but Hayabusa does not outclass the other ninja. He's just got more showings.
On a side note, has anyone seen the previews for Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2? Ayane and Momiji are playable!
Sir, are you implying that any of the ninjas could have stopped Vazdah or the Vigoorian Emperor?
Also, Ryu has never lost to Kasumi, he defeated her in the second tournament. He lost to Hayate, although honestly...I find that to be complete and utter bullshit considering his status in their world, and Hayate being the weakest of the ninja.
My reasoning is simple. When the planet is threatened by extradimensional demonic entities callled Fiends, who ya gonna call? Ryu Hayabusa baby. 131
Ryu Hayabusa battles threats to the planet like Vazdah, the Vigoorian Emperor, and the Dark Dragon Blade, threats which are unarguably far grander than Raidou, Bankotsu, Omega, or Alpha-152.
That is why I consider him the strongest.
Now I won't lie, I do not consider him that far above the others, but above nontheless.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Sir, are you implying that any of the ninjas could have stopped Vazdah or the Vigoorian Emperor?Also, Ryu has never lost to Kasumi, he defeated her in the second tournament. He lost to Hayate, although honestly...I find that to be complete and utter bullshit considering his status in their world, and Hayate being the weakest of the ninja.
My reasoning is simple. When the planet is threatened by extradimensional demonic entities callled Fiends, who ya gonna call? Ryu Hayabusa baby. 131
Ryu Hayabusa battles threats to the planet like Vazdah, the Vigoorian Emperor, and the Dark Dragon Blade, threats which are unarguably far grander than Raidou, Bankotsu, Omega, or Alpha-152.
That is why I consider him the strongest.
Now I won't lie, I do not consider him that far above the others, but above nontheless.
I'm talking about Kasumi vs Hayabusa in the first tournament. It's been a while though and that story was a little confusing. I mean, Jann Lee's purpose for entering was "looking for hot battles." 😂
As for the Hayate thing, it's Team Ninja's fault he's ranked where he is. They acted like he was supposed to be Hayabusa's biggest rival and Head of the Mugen Tenshin but when they finally introduce him after he gets his memory back, he loses to Kasumi AND Ayane? Honestly, I think they had him beat Hayabusa to give him some credibility. He lost to Hayabusa as Ein, so they figured Hayate should get the next win. Technically, Hayate is 1-0 against Hayabusa. 😖hifty:
Yeah, I agree. Hayabusa's resume is just plain more impressive than the rest of the cast's. I don't even have a problem if people rank him as the strongest. I was really just trying to make sure those less familiar with DOA don't get the impression that he is like...Terry Bogard in DOA or something.
If someone ranks him number 1 though, I totally understand. He's more than qualified.
Originally posted by StyleTimeNah. I don't think so. Personally. Since you know, I just don't see it happening. Dunno. Seems unlikely for some reason.
I wouldn't argue that they could beat the Vigoorian Emperor/Vazdah/etc in a real debate because they don't have the showings. My personal opinion on it though? I could see the others doing it if they were given the same weapons and ninpo Hayabusa had. I doubt anyone would have said Hayabusa could beat those guys...before he did it.I'm talking about Kasumi vs Hayabusa in the first tournament. It's been a while though and that story was a little confusing. I mean, Jann Lee purpose for entering was "looking for hot battles." 😂
As for the Hayate thing, it's Team Ninja's fault he's ranked where he is. They acted like he was supposed to be Hayabusa's biggest rival and Head of the Mugen Tenshin but when they finally introduce him after he gets his memory back, he loses to Kasumi AND Ayane? Honestly, I think they had him beat Hayabusa to give him some credibility. He lost to Hayabusa as Ein, so they figured Hayate should get the next win. Technically, Hayate is 1-0 against Hayabusa. 😖hifty:
Yeah, I agree. Hayabusa's resume is just plain more impressive than the rest of the cast's. I don't even have a problem if people rank him as the strongest. I was really just trying to make sure those less familiar with DOA don't get the impression that he is like...Terry Bogard in DOA or something.
If someone ranks him number 1 though, I totally understand. He's more than qualified.
I do not recall him losing to Kasumi in that tournament...But he did beat her in DOA2.
Hm. Yeah you're right about this. Beating Hayabusa that one time is his only credible feat that places him near the level he should be.
Hm, glad to see we understand eachother then.
Please take note that the only reason I am even arguing this is because I am an admitted Hayabusa fanboy lol.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Refresh my memory are the ninjas all of the same village or is Ryu in his own one?
Kasumi, Ayane, and Hayate are from the Mugen Tenshin clan. However, this group is subdivided. Ayane is from the Hajin Mon sect while Kasumi and Hayate hail from the Tenjin Mon sect. The two sects work towards the same goals, but don't necessarily interact on the same level as the ninja in say, the Hayabusa village do. Hajin Mon seems more like spec ops, and even assist other clans from the shadows as seen when Ayane helps Hayabusa with his missions. Tenjin Mon appears to be the more "official" sect and I don't think they operate with other clans, as shown in Hayate's search for Kasumi in 3, unless in an emergency.
In the way I interpret it, the Mugen Tenshin is like the federal level of government and the sects are like the state governments. Both sects act together as the Mugen Tenshin clan on serious issues, like the Raidou incident, but maintain an individual identity with somewhat separate leaders as well. That's my corny little analogy if it helps any.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Hayabusa Village's main goal was guarding the Dark Dragon Blade wasn't it?
I believe that was one of them, but that is also the reason why the other Ninjas weren't involved in the story, because it had nothing to do with them. It was Ryu's vengeance, his duty to go and retrieve it, not Hayate or Kasumi or Ayane. That's the reason they weren't really there for the first NG. No idea about the 2nd one.
Originally posted by Raidou
Good answer 😛
Not really since most wrestlers can't hold their own in a real fight. That and the fact that we aren't talking about a real scrap but a scrap between a trained martial artist who can fend off an assassin as opposed to a wrestler with no real feats or significance to the story.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]If Helena can beat those two, then she certainly can take this one. Tina is a lot for heavy moves, which goes for Bayman as well. Christie is faster, more agile, and if she can beat both then she is talented enough for Tina. [/B]
Tina is not heavy .. She weighs 123 pounds (56 kg) .. She It is very light.. Christie is the heaviest (57 kg)
Kasumi and Hayate were captured by DOATEC .. They were considered the 2 most powerful fighters of the tournament .. If Hayabusa was the most powerful DOOATEC the captured .. DOATEC ignored Ayane and Hayabusa.. Hayate is the master and is the leader of the clan mugen (Watch the trailer for DOA Ultimate).. 😄
Originally posted by Raidou
Kasumi and Hayate were captured by DOATEC .. They were considered the 2 most powerful fighters of the tournament .. If Hayabusa was the most powerful DOOATEC the captured .. DOATEC ignored Ayane and Hayabusa.. Hayate is the master and is the leader of the clan mugen (Watch the trailer for DOA Ultimate).. 😄
Is that an answer to my question?