Victory-Class Star Destroyer vs. Modern Day Earth

Similar to the old thread, but this one I feel isn't spite.

The scenario is that one Victory-Class Star Destroyer, helmed by Darth Vader, has discovered Eath. After some deliberation Vader is granted permission to seize the planet in the name of the Galactic Empire. Vader contacts Earth's leaders and our leaders respond to his demands for surrender by droping their drawls and mooning his vid screen. Thus, it's on.

Perimeters

The Empire's total amount of forces is 1 X Victory Class Star Destroyer, which includes all of the forces that a Victory class can hold. That is:

2,040 Troops

2 full squads of TIE fighters. Both squads are comprised of Tie Interceptors.

Lambda-class shuttles (4)
Landing barges (6)
AT-AT walkers (10)
AT-ST walkers (15)

the Star Destroyer is suspended in low orbit for the duration of this match (or rather, low enough that it can be attacked by our fighters; i think that if it's in space it's overkill).

I feel that the the SD's ability to surgically neuter our global military via orbital striking our key locations is an unfair advantage, so i'm going to limit the amount of times the SD can use an orbit-to-ground strike to once every two days. However all of the other weapons it has can be used at the Empire's discretion. That means missile tubes, whatever point defense systems it may have, etc.

With the use of transports the Imperials can land wherever they deem fit; that will be up to you guys to debate.

Humanity can use... pretty much anything it has to survive lol. For the sake of this fight, all of the world's governments are united to face the new threat. No chances of Korea joining up with the Imperials lol.

So... have at it fellas. 🙂

We need to nuke it. I don't think our fighters will do much damage.

The ISD jumps to hyperspace while in orbit. Everyone ****ing dies.

if the previous thread didnt gave them any chance,this one gives just one chance.

our only,single option is nuke'em.we wont lose anything since their in space (the star destroyer) so we can throw everything at them.we have enough nuclear power on this planet to blow it to dust 3 or 4 times(blow Earth to dust 3 or 4 times,not the star destroyer).if that would be enough to destroy their big ship,then we won,if not,then we lost.ur thread resumes to the star destroyer,just like the previous one resumed to Vader.if we nail the ship,then its over.the big problem is,how will we get the nukes past their shots...its most likely they'll spot the nukes and desintegrate them before they reach the ship,unless they'll underestimate us and ignore them...it hangs by chance so it cannot actually be debated.

jumping to hyperspace in us isnt an option.they want to conquer us.and why didnt they ever do this in star wars,was sacrificing a ship to expensive for winnig the war ?count dooku could have just banged into coruscant and destroy the council at the cost of a ship and some troops.they must have a reason...or it was just to much of a power for george lucas to introduce ...

Originally posted by radu1234
if the previous thread didnt gave them any chance,this one gives just one chance.

our only,single option is nuke'em.we wont lose anything since their in space (the star destroyer) so we can throw everything at them.we have enough nuclear power on this planet to blow it to dust 3 or 4 times(blow Earth to dust 3 or 4 times,not the star destroyer).if that would be enough to destroy their big ship,then we won,if not,then we lost.ur thread resumes to the star destroyer,just like the previous one resumed to Vader.if we nail the ship,then its over.the big problem is,how will we get the nukes past their shots...its most likely they'll spot the nukes and desintegrate them before they reach the ship,unless they'll underestimate us and ignore them...it hangs by chance so it cannot actually be debated.

Originally posted by radu1234
jumping to hyperspace in us isnt an option.they want to conquer us.and why didnt they ever do this in star wars,was sacrificing a ship to expensive for winnig the war ?count dooku could have just banged into coruscant and destroy the council at the cost of a ship and some troops.they must have a reason...or it was just to much of a power for george lucas to introduce ...

i dont think any of our jets would actually hurt that ship...well at least more than scratch it. i think nukes will be their second choice after they notice they cant hurt it very much with simple arsenal.

hmm ,didnt realize he was jocking...though it was obvious >.> .my bad

do you think that the various missiles that we have wouldnt be able to hurt it even with sustained bombardment? the asteroids in that asteroid field were able to eventually damage the more powerful imperial-class star destroyers after the star destroyers had been bombarded by them for a few hours. i think that its possible that enough sustained attacks directed toward the SD's shield generators could potentially put it out of commission, at least temporarily, giving our fighters enough time to potentially hit a weak point on the ship such as the bridge. when the executors's shields were down an a-wing crashing into the bridge created a strong enough impact to destroy the entire ship.

the problem i see is that our fighters will have trouble getting past the SD's point-defense systems (it has over 300 guns designed to fight off fighters), as well as the two squads of tie interceptors which could be problematic. in addition our militaries still have to worry about over a thousand storm troopers with 25 units of armor. considering the empire has landing shuttles that means they could drop their ground forces directly on, say, the pentagon or white house and take it over, which could cripple the entire US's missile system.

Even 10,000 nuclear warheads wouldn't damage the ship. Ever hear of shields? As pathetic a SD shields are, they would be able to withstand a 100 kiloton thermal nuclear weapon.

... based on what?

even ignoring the massive amounts of energy created by a single nuke, much less 10,000, the kinetic energy delivered by such a force would kill everyone on board (the evidence being that the way the shielding in Starwars works is that while it protects against energy damage and heat it doesn't protect against kinetic damage to the occupants themselves(which can see by the way the people inside the ships are rocked about by attacks even when the shields are holding up fine)) and give off a MASSIVE EMP that would result in the ship crashing into the earth's surface.

someone PLEASE give me some feats of what an SD's shields can take, as that sounds like a load of bull.

WO Polaski
in addition our militaries still have to worry about over a thousand storm troopers with 25 units of armor. considering the empire has landing shuttles that means they could drop their ground forces directly on, say, the pentagon or white house and take it over, which could cripple the entire US's missile system.

Aside from the Star Destroyer itself, the AT-ATs are the only remotely threatening force the Imperials have to muster. Even then, they're capped at a pathetic 37 m/h and have notable weak points at the belly and neck.

The entire Imperial landing force could go down in hours at most depending on where they land. Orbital strikes are a big deal, though.

An EMP wave is not an ion based based weapon nor kenetetic. A nuke explodes roughly 500-1000 feet above ground to cause as much damage as possible.

i didnt say it was, but its a side-effect of nuclear explosions. a nuke when it goes off creates a large amount of unstable energy, extreme heat, strong kinetic energy, and an emp, all at the same time.

nukes explode that high up to create a larger blast radius and to increase the range of fallout. they dont have to do that though. if only one single target is being attacked, a target that is less then a mile long, then they can detonated at a much closer range for more intensity at the sacrifice of range.

and before you say it, please provide any proof that you may have that the shields can protect the ship from a high dose of EMP.

Sounds as if your talking about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) where multiple warheads are assigned on the same specific target. You do have a point if there is a central target zone, but the EMP wave would have to disperse along the length of the entire ship. For that to occur, each warhead would have to have a different target.

Victory class SDs are capital warships right? A warship that large has shields and armor to withstand point blank turbolaser, I say again turbolaser fire. A turbolaser has a much more devastating yield than a nuke. The armor has the capacity to withstand a proton torpedo and proton based weapon is a lot more devastating.

the EMP from a nuclear warhead stretches across at least a mile. a victory class star destroyer is only 900 feet long, so "10,000" nuclear weapons would soak the entire ship in EMP waves.

there is no canon statement for how strong their armor and shielding is. what we DO have canonically is showings from the movies which are primary canon above all else. in the movies we see that even with shields on maximum the larger and more powerful imperial class ship can be completely destroyed by a few hours of being hit by rocks that are only at absolute maximum a hundred feet in diameter. one high-yield nuclear warhead is stronger then that.

weve also seen that the executor class star destroyer, the strongest and most heaviliy armed and armored of all the star destroyers in the fleet, was completely crippled by a ship 28 feet long crashing into it's bridge after it's shields were destroyed. So really an SD's armor isnt much stronger then the stuff we have today.

That force is SMALLER than the one that I had (only 2040 troops?), so Earth wins, easily killing the troops and then nuking the destroyer.

you also had zero air support and landed in the in one of the worst possible places you could land a force.

and they wouldn't be able to nuke it. that would destroy earth or at the least uninhabitable.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
you also had zero air support and landed in the in one of the worst possible places you could land a force.

and they wouldn't be able to nuke it. that would destroy earth or at the least uninhabitable.

First of all, I'll say this for the last time: I GAVE THEM TIE FIGHTERS AND GAVE INTO LUCIEN'S COMPLAINTS!!!! WHY DO YOU GUYS IGNORE MY POSTS THAT ATTEMPT TO BALANCE THIS THREAD???

I suggested Mexico, Lucien refused, saying that it's too FAR from America (how do you get any closer than Mexico, unless if you want to have them land in America itself?). I suggested South America, Lucien refused. I asked him what he wanted, he refused to answer.

THIS THREAD

Wrong.

Let it go. Or, at least contain your caps lock (and misplaced umbrage) to the thread you started. Plz.

Do not feed the troll.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
... based on what?

even ignoring the massive amounts of energy created by a single nuke, much less 10,000, the kinetic energy delivered by such a force would kill everyone on board (the evidence being that the way the shielding in Starwars works is that while it protects against energy damage and heat it doesn't protect against kinetic damage to the occupants themselves(which can see by the way the people inside the ships are rocked about by attacks even when the shields are holding up fine)) and give off a MASSIVE EMP that would result in the ship crashing into the earth's surface.

someone PLEASE give me some feats of what an SD's shields can take, as that sounds like a load of bull.

Stats(Link)

Just to recap:

Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport

Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak

"As you can see, the officially published figures are massively in favour of the Empire, even if you disregard the fact that an Acclamator is not a particularly powerful warship by Imperial standards (an Imperial Star Destroyer is roughly 10 times larger (by volume) than an Acclamator and presumably 10 times more powerful, even if we disregard the fact that an Acclamator is just a transport)."

Now, to clarify - a ship a tenth the size of an ISD can soak 70 trillion GW. That's insane. Here's more:

Imp Shields(Link)

The TESB novelization described a "steady rain" of asteroids, and Anakin Skywalker: The Story of Darth Vader said that "turbolaser gunners blasted the largest rocks; those they missed impacted against the bow shields like multi-megaton compression bombs." We can see from the film that the ships were taking impacts at the rate of at least 1 asteroid per second if not more, and we know from the above quote that the asteroids were striking with several megatons of energy each. [..]

Furthermore, the bombardment must have continued for at least 1 or 2 days because Vader had time to contact bounty hunters, who travelled from their various homebases to the Outer Rim while the fleet stayed in the field. Therefore, each ISD might have absorbed as much as 3E20 joules of kinetic energy while in the asteroid field.

Additionally:

Star Destroyers were able to survive half an hour of ship to ship battle with Mon Calamari battlecruisers in the Battle of Endor before they started to lose shielding. If we assume roughly one Star Destroyer per Mon Calamari cruiser and ignore fighters (in spite of the fact that they were carrying thermonuclear weapons), we can estimate that a Star Destroyer can survive many thousands of shots before shield failure.

And about your kamikaze attack:

The A-wing fighter that damaged the Executor's bridge tower didn't make its suicide attack until after the Executor's bridge deflector shields were dropped. If deflector shields were impotent against physical collisions, there would have been no reason to wait until the Executor's shields were dropped.

That seems to be quite conclusive. Nukes will do shit against the ISD, and it'll rain hell on any fortified installations. Considering that an ISD alone can glass a planet, including deep bunkers like the kind most world governments would be fleeing to, I don't see this coming out in favor of Earth.

im sorry, but i dont buy any of that, never have. wong is not affiliated with star wars at all or anyone that affiliates with it; hes just some scientist. so regardless of his statistics and how sound they may or may not be, i dont take any stock in it. i go only by what the movies and the EU shows us. however, that piece you pasted here stats that official stats have been released? any idea where i could see those?

i already stated that the a-wing only managed to do that when the shields were down. that was m entire point, that its armor isnt all that special without its shielding.

but even with shields, as i said before:

even ignoring the massive amounts of energy created by a single nuke, much less 10,000, the kinetic energy delivered by such a force would kill everyone on board (the evidence being that the way the shielding in Starwars works is that while it protects against energy damage and heat it doesn't protect against kinetic damage to the occupants themselves(which can see by the way the people inside the ships are rocked about by attacks even when the shields are holding up fine)) and give off a MASSIVE EMP that would result in the ship crashing into the earth's surface.