Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Anyone see this?I'm putting money on that being Danger disguised as Xavier.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2819&disp=table
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Just that they'll be another Xavier/Exodus face off.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Xavier encountered Danger in the last arc, and it seems as though the Psi-Blockers/Computers are being overrided.
Originally posted by wannabe
Yeah, cool, isn't it? 😄But it's not done by something like Danger's "cyberpathy". Xavier just implanted commands and suggestions into the Acolytes' minds while they were unprotected and now uses that foothold to manipulate them to his advantage ... read it again thoroughly, you will notice. 😉
That's the Xavier i love to see. The one who proves why he's considered to be the best telepath on earth, even by the likes of Exodus.
The suggestions were planted by Xavier yes, but the telekinesis thing suggests that it's Danger. Danger is now working with Xavier after the last issue. He's making them paranoid, they all think he's some how overriding everything via telepathy but it's Danger's cyberpathy.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The suggestions were planted by Xavier yes, but the telekinesis thing suggests that it's Danger. Danger is now working with Xavier after the last issue. He's making them paranoid, they all think he's some how overriding everything via telepathy but it's Danger's cyberpathy.
Originally posted by wannabe
He isn't doing any telekinesis. The doors open and the weapons fail to target him, because he makes Unuscione doing that ... you can see her being manipulated. The at hand manipulation of the Acolytes' minds strongly suggests it's indeed Xavier doing all that, unless Danger is a telepath now (i live in Germany and am at least one year behind US-releases, so i'm not up to date).
Wait and see, I'm almost 90% sure that is Danger since she's now helping Xavier. And Danger did display some sort of telepathy in Astonishing X-Men #10
Xavier planeted those dreams in order to create paranoia amongst the Acolytes.
Unusciones psi-blocker some how failed and Danger who has files on all the Acolytes is milking thier paranoia. Also what he says to Vought kind of makes me think it's Danger since Xavier was a complete ass to her at the beginning of Legacy. Danger would have shut off Uniscones psi-blocker and then Xavier is controlling her from the outside to make the others even more paranoid. They think he's a frail old man but in fact he's a killer robot. Exodus is going to check the psi-shields and realize that that's not Xavier.
The real question why does he want Avalon to fall again?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wait and see, I'm almost 90% sure that is Danger since she's now helping Xavier. And Danger did display some sort of telepathy in Astonishing X-Men #10
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Xavier planeted those dreams in order to create paranoia amongst the Acolytes.
Unusciones psi-blocker some how failed and Danger who has files on all the Acolytes is milking thier paranoia.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Also what he says to Vought kind of makes me think it's Danger since Xavier was a complete ass to her at the beginning of Legacy.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Danger would have shut off Uniscones psi-blocker and then Xavier is controlling her from the outside to make the others even more paranoid. They think he's a frail old man but in fact he's a killer robot. Exodus is going to check the psi-shields and realize that that's not Xavier.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The real question why does he want Avalon to fall again?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Emma was called the most powerful telepath on the planet in front of Exodus in the X-Men annual and then Exodus was in awe of her telepathic work in Blinded by the light and rated her in his top 5 telepaths. That was all written by Mike Carey as well.
Exodus is a serial fanatic, adopting one cause or idol after another. He was probably just smitten by Emma for a moment.
Xavier, Cassandra Nova, Shadow King, Nate Grey, Cable at full potential, Stryfe, Exodus, Legion, Kid Omega and of course both Phoenix Greys would all melt her brain in a fight. Sinister, the Stefford Cukoos and Martha Johansson could give her a run for her money. Sage may be able to stalemate her.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Exodus is a serial fanatic, adopting one cause or idol after another. He was probably just smitten by Emma for a moment.Xavier, Cassandra Nova, Shadow King, Nate Grey, Cable at full potential, Stryfe, Exodus, Legion, Kid Omega and of course both Phoenix Greys would all melt her brain in a fight. Sinister, the Stefford Cukoos and Martha Johansson could give her a run for her money. Sage may be able to stalemate her.
I don't know why you put Xavier and Exodus on that list. Charles, Bennet, Emma, Sinister and Jean are all in the same tier.
Plus Nova? Phoenixes, God Cable? You're talking cosmic level here so what's your point Charles would get wooped by them too.
As for current Legion, Emma would have killed him had Illyana not intervened.
http://img145.imageshack.us/i/newmutants9page16.jpg/
Emma faced off against Nate when he did not realize that he had his telepathy she did fine, Nate still had his TK and hated her as much as Dark Beast. I'm pretty sure he'll be playing second fiddle to Emma, Charles and the Cuckoos when he rejoins anyway.
Also Martha definitely not. Cuckoos could give a lot of people a run for their money they took out Kid Omega pretty handily.
Sage is an omniversal being stuck in a wall at the moment. In X-treme she didn't have telepathy and when she did she got the jump on a very green and young Emma around the time Emma just became White Queen. Anyway Sage hurt the f*cke of Jean and Psylocke telepathically.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't know why you put Xavier and Exodus on that list. Charles, Bennet, Emma, Sinister and Jean are all in the same tier.Plus Nova? Phoenixes, God Cable? You're talking cosmic level here so what's your point Charles would get wooped by them too.
As for current Legion, Emma would have killed him had Illyana not intervened. Emma faced off against Nate when he did not realize that he had his telepathy she did fine, Nate still had his TK and hated her as much as Dark Beast. I'm pretty sure he'll be playing second fiddle to Emma, Charles and the Cuckoos when he rejoins anyway.
Also Martha definitely not. Cuckoos could give a lot of people a run for their money they took out Kid Omega pretty handily.
Sage is an omniversal being stuck in a wall at the moment. In X-treme she didn't have telepathy and when she did she got the jump on a very green and young Emma around the time Emma just became White Queen. Anyway Sage hurt the f*cke of Jean and Psylocke telepathically.
Cassandra Nova and Cable are not cosmic any more than Nate is.
Xavier is above Emma, not to mention not holding back he should be equal to his evil clone, Cassandra. Exodus has held off Xavier while engaging entire teams of heroes and crushing Genosha with TK at the same time.
Kid Omega and the probably the Cukoos can still take Emma no matter how they fared against each other with or without cerebra. Jean has matched Emma without tapping into the Phoenix earlier. Sinister should easily be able to hang with her.
Martha has separated the Phoenix from Jean and manipulated the entire school at Xaviers with no one noticing, including Emma, Charles and Jean. You are underestimating her.
Not up to date on current Legion, but he has held many times the psychic power of someone like Prof. X.
Not up to date on Sage either but she used to be one tough cookie and sure able to hang with the White Queen for a while at least.
The Shadow King would own her too. And Stryfe certainly.
Point is, putting Emma Frost in the top 5 is too much of a stretch.
Unless you are talking pure skill, in that respect she is up there.
Originally posted by Mshinu
[B]Cassandra Nova and Cable are not cosmic any more than Nate is.
Pre-Shaman Nate not so much. Nate Grey was all over the place before Ellis got a hold on him. We'll see how the X-writers handle him when he rejoins.
Nova is above both of them IMO.
Xavier is above Emma, not to mention not holding back he should be equal to his evil clone, Cassandra.
Only very slightly. Cassandra is not a clone she's a mummandrai. And he's not equal to her in the slightest she can tap into the full genome he can't how can she be his clone. She had him when he had his powers amplified by ten.
Exodus has held off Xavier while engaging entire teams of heroes and crushing Genosha with TK at the same time.
So? Exodus got stalemated by Emma and blocked by Emma. He got stalemated by Sersi and in Siege of Wundagore by Thena. Emma took down 7 super skrull telepaths on 7 Cerebra's. Xavier came up against 1 super skrull telepath and got owned.
Kid Omega and the probably the Cukoos can still take Emma no matter how they fared against each other with or without cerebra.
Emma's better then the 3 Cuckoos. Unless they've improved since Warsong maybe they have, Sure but both would do the same to Xavier and Exodus too. Mindee messed with Exodus.
Jean has matched Emma without tapping into the Phoenix earlier.
Matched? I think not. They both weren't even interested in fighting. Jean was holding her head, Emma was torturing some girl and the static was hurting Jean. A fight broke out Jean shouted telepathically.
Martha has separated the Phoenix from Jean and manipulated the entire school at Xaviers with no one noticing, including Emma, Charles and Jean. You are underestimating her.
Martha? Brain in the jar? I think you're confusing her with the Cuckoos.
Not up to date on current Legion, but he has held many times the psychic power of someone like Prof. X.
Legion was 10 more powerful then Xavier. He's the same now but with more powers. He can only use one power at a time.
Not up to date on Sage either but she used to be one tough cookie and sure ablt to hang with the White Queen for a while at least.
She was Sebastian Shaw assistant and got taken out by Karma.
The Shadow King would own her too.
Depends wouldn't say own but he'd have the majority much like he would have the majority against Xavier. SK is an idiot though CIS is why he loses or it could just be Claremonts writing.
Point is, putting Emma Frost in the top 5 is too much of a stretch.
Unless you are talking pure skill, in that respect she is up there.
Cosmic entities count? Exodus hasn't met Nova, he's met Nate though.
He considers her in his league. And I can't remember the quote but it doesn't matter I think it was a skill table. Either way Exodus considers Emma in his league and it's pretty much cemented now that Ems, Xavier etc.. are all in the same tier thanks to the Legacy and the Utopia crossover.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Cassandra is not a clone she's a mummandrai. And he's not equal to her in the slightest she can tap into the full genome he can't how can she be his clone. She had him when he had his powers amplified by ten.
She copied his dna so she is pretty much a clone. The TK she uses has been hinted at with Xavier early in his career. The intangibility may be a mummudrai trait tho. When she took Chuck`s body instead of her own she said his brain was the strongest one there is and she was still just as psionically impressive as before, easily mindraping the enttre Shi`ar royal guard
Martha? Brain in the jar? I think you're confusing her with the Cuckoos.
Nope, definately Martha. The de-phoenixing of Jean happened in Here comes tomorrow, before the white crown phoenix "fixed" the universe.
(by making Scott stick with Ms Frost)
Cosmic entities count? Exodus hasn't met Nova, he's met Nate though.
Can`t say what goes on in Exodus` head...
Anyway as I said I`ll easily put Emma in the top 5 skilled TP`s. Apart from Xavier and Cassandra if you count her, it is hard to say she is below anyone in that respect. Sinister, Cable, maybe Stryfe should be close, Martha, perhaps Shadow King don`t remember him so much.
On the other hand, many has power enough to more than compensate.
Meh, lets agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Mshinu
[B]She copied his dna so she is pretty much a clone. The TK she uses has been hinted at with Xavier early in his career. The intangibility may be a mummudrai trait tho. When she took Chuck`s body instead of her own she said his brain was the strongest one there is and she was still just as psionically impressive as before, easily mindraping the enttre Shi`ar royal guard
She had a healing factor too. She copied Trask the dentists Dna too. She got him when he was on Cerebro.
Nope, definately Martha. The de-phoenixing of Jean happened in Here comes tomorrow, before the white crown phoenix "fixed" the universe.
(by making Scott stick with Ms Frost)
She got blown up by the Phoenix IRRC. Tricking the entire mansion was the Cuckoos.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Beast who had injected himself with phoenix stuff blew Cassandra, still in Ernst`s body (edit I meant Stuff`s), and Martha up.When was it revealed the Cuckoos did that?
I don't have access my issues will re-read HCT. Anyway isn't HCT set very far in the future.
Warsong. The Cuckoos put a block on everyone Charles, Emma and Phoenix to prevent people from asking questions about where they came from. Even made sure Wolverine couldn't remember smells.
HCT is set 150 years into the future, Wolvie, Cassandra and the 3 in 1 all look just the same tho. Cass says Martha has gotten alzheimers. Timeline averted by Jean reaching across time and nudging Scott into Emma`s arms.
Martha wasn`t blown up by the way, just Cass was. The brain bubble bounced across the deck of the ship and suffered just a minor crack. She spoke telepathically in a text bubble (the first time) to Logan just before the end.
As for Martha manipulating the people at the mansion, I was speaking about Cassandra getting out of storage and wandering about in Xorn`s special class as Ernst without anybody noticing. Plus some other incidents I can`t quite remember, used to be a study of in on uncannyxmen.net or somewhere I think.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
IAs for current Legion, Emma would have killed him had Illyana not intervened.
http://img145.imageshack.us/i/newmutants9page16.jpg/
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That's just an alternate future description. It's as far from canon as it can be.
Exodus did naem his top 5 telepaths including Emma, but he ignored some other characters that were above them both. Besides his list wasnt based on raw power, but on the capacity to pull a particular feat: fooling people into believing the fate diaries were still arround IIRC. So I wouldn't take that statement too seriously.
