Team KMC vs DC Earth

Goob, you start offing or mindcontrolling villains, you're bound to raise suspicions. If say, Blockbuster started robbing physics labs, people are going to know something weird is going on. You'd have to have them act normally so no one would notice they were under your control. And you really think you can control them or their proxies enough for someone not to see something is up, even if it's just other villains?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And as I said, what makes you think they won't kill you or try to take you out for butting in? Or they might start wondering who the new player is and investigate. Any kind of upfront dealing with the superhero or supervillain community is disastrous for your plans.

You want a better way, steal one of Darkseid's plans. Operation: Humiliation. DS sent Glorious Godfrey to earth disguised as a talk-show host advocating civil rights and self-empowerment. By systematically setting up superheroes with no-win scenarios, (a robotic body set up as a real person, so when the person fell a building, the heroes believed the robot was dead, or having Brimstone blow up and kill heroes and civilians in a nuclear disaster.) Godfrey used the public fervor (and some mind control/persuasion powers) to rally the people into a lynch mob against superheroes, claiming that they were thwarting humanity's development as a species and stiffling their self-determination. The mob violence and fervor got so bad, that President Reagan drafted an executive order declaring martial law and outlawing superheroes. Similar to what happened in Watchmen, except it was a prelude to a mindcontrolled army of people marching on washington and then the world.

Of course, the superheroes figured out what was going on and Robin, who was critically injured by one of the mobs, stood against Godfrey with a human wall made of kids. Godfrey stupidly lashed out at one of the kids, breaking the mindcontrol spell he had the people under. Godfrey was finally beaten when he swiped the Helmet of Nabu from Dr. Fate. Nabu fried his mind in retaliation.

Incidently, Godfrey eventually recovered, and was later doing his schtick again in FC as Reverend Goode. 😛

This plan has vast potential if done right. If the public doesn't want superheroes, the heroes will step aside of their own accord. That was the goal of Darkseid's plan: to destroy the concept and legend of the superhero.

As a corollary to the above, I should mention "The Sound of Drums" from season 3 of the new Dr. Who. The Master used a psychic signal across a satellite network to send a sublimininal and coded idea into people's minds. Nothing much, just a drumbeat. But that beat was designed to make people trust Harold Saxon (The Master's civilian identity at the time) and vote for him as Prime Minister.

Spoiler:
(Later hijacked by The Doctor to rejuvenate himself and absorb psychic energy from the entire planet.)

Anyone else think this idea can work?

Also, this mark of cain, what is it? Just the knowledge of us being villains? a physical mark, an energy? Can we go out in disguise, ala holograms, or just a wig? What level of disguise will work? Or we going to known as villains if anyone sees us no matter the circumstances? Or just sees us period?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why is Warlock so low in intelligence/battle strategy? Because Digi's controlling him?

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Bingo

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I just fail to see how Iceman could be more useful than Thor or Adam.

It has to do with the fact that Iceman can cause worldwide devastation without his presence being known.

Not saying he'd beat either Thor or Adam in power though.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Im a little confused with how you controlling Dr. Doom works

you get his knowledge of course...but isn't it onedumbgo strategizing?

This is a theoretical strategy, and if used correctly, imo Doom should be this high.

Originally posted by batdude123
Again, why get involved before it's absolutely necessary? 3 years is a LONG time. Risking exposure before the time is absolutely necessary is dangerous.

Villains have as much to lose from this situation as heroes do.

And if we start mind controlling bitches to start doing what we want them to do, it'll mean that the person won't be acting in character. ANY suspicion of something out of the ordinary is bad. I don't care if they don't know it's us right away, but it's like playing with matches in front of a gasoline container. If we're trying to stay hidden for 3 years, starting shady shit isn't the smartest idea.

When we unveil a battle plan upon DC Earth, I'd want it to come as total and utter SURPRISE. Feel me?

I was actually thinking that maybe we should make ourselves known as some C-list villains a year or so into it and play down our actual levels of power(maybe throw a couple of fights to the Teen Titans and such and beat a hasty retreat). Then when we're ready to make our big move we'll set up for the JLA will fly right up to us expecting to take us out with a fair degree of ease and we'll shock the world by utterly dominating them and spring the stuff we have set up while the World's still in shock from seeing a silver surfboard rammed up Supes's ass 😄 .

which one of you guys gets to off superman? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think we should stay hidden for anywhere near 3 years. 3 Years isn't how long we have to prep, it's the total allotted time we're allowed. If we aim for one massive all out assault it's going to rally the entire planet against us and that's a LOT of superbeings to deal with. Mind control is definitely risky but again, we know these guys better than they know themselves so it's not likely we'll fall out of character. And once the chaos has started, our proxy "disappears"(throwing suspicion upon the heroes themselves) and the only contact to us is out of the way. It's not a plan I think we HAVE to use to any great effect, but it's one of those things that we should be able to pull off. Besides, for every hero like Supes or Bat's that have a truckload of contingency plans to keep their identity hidden, there's 10 more who are out there just winging it and praying that their identities not discovered.

I was actually thinking that maybe we should make ourselves known as some C-list villains a year or so into it and play down our actual levels of power(maybe throw a couple of fights to the Teen Titans and such and beat a hasty retreat). Then when we're ready to make our big move we'll set up for the JLA will fly right up to us expecting to take us out with a fair degree of ease and we'll shock the world by utterly dominating them and spring the stuff we have set up while the World's still in shock from seeing a silver surfboard rammed up Supes's ass 😄 .

No, we don't know those guys better than they know themselves. And I'm not suggesting an all out assault. I'm simply suggesting the idea that we don't have to attack before we even have a plan.

And I look Bruce's idea better. Coming in as heroes would be better.

it might also be a good idea to separate your team into 2 teams, with one team serving as contingency or with one team playing with the good guys and one team playing with the bad guys...basically pulling the strings of both the heroes and villains as your puppets (dr. doom will obviously have to come up with the logistical details to make it work)

you don't want option A to be the only option..and you guys know how resilient the good guys are...one wave prob ain't gonna cut it.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, we don't know those guys better than they know themselves. And I'm not suggesting an all out assault. I'm simply suggesting the idea that we don't have to attack before we even have a plan.

And I look Bruce's idea better. Coming in as heroes would be better.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Also to help offset the in depth knowledge of DC's heroes and such, the Grandmaster puts the equivalent of the "Mark of Cain" on the team that labels them as "villains" to any DC hero they encounter.

Originally posted by batdude123
I look Bruce's idea better. Coming in as heroes would be better.

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honestly, my number one priority would be killing off batman...you just know that f$%ker will ruin your grand scheme somehow if he is alive

Originally posted by Starscream M
honestly, my number one priority would be killing off batman...you just know that f$%ker will ruin your grand scheme somehow if he is alive

collapse the sun into a black hole.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
collapse the sun into a black hole.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
collapse the sun into a black hole.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'd definitely want to put him in the first targets we hit when we break out, but I think it'd be a bad idea to off any A-lister's before we're ready to make a serious move. Characters in comics have a tendency to come back to life, and if we kill Bat's the first day someone's going to resurrect him a key moment later on.

if you actually did get him, you'd have to deal with Joker next. Joker would take whoever killed Batman to hell.

Also, Goober, do you actually think you can use Surfer's powers without his experience to take down Superman? 🤨

Also from my last post: "Anyone else think this idea can work?

Also, this mark of cain, what is it? Just the knowledge of us being villains? a physical mark, an energy? Can we go out in disguise, ala holograms, or just a wig? What level of disguise will work? Or we going to known as villains if anyone sees us no matter the circumstances? Or just sees us period?"

Originally posted by darthgoober
But now that I think about it, it'd go along way towards minimizing the threat from all the characters wearing an S-Shield to turn it red...

Turn the sun red? Jesus christ.......are you trying to lose? 🤨 Doing something that direct would easily alert EVERYONE. Even doing as part of your assault plan is liable to alert everyone in the solar system that something is wrong.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That would destroy the solar system and we'd have failed to actually conquer the planet. But now that I think about it, it'd go along way towards minimizing the threat from all the characters wearing an S-Shield to turn it red...

Turning the sun red would effectively wipe out all existence on Earth.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
if you actually did get him, you'd have to deal with Joker next. Joker would take whoever killed Batman to hell.

Also, Goober, do you actually think you can use Surfer's powers without his experience to take down Superman? 🤨

Also from my last post: "Anyone else think this idea can work?

Also, this mark of cain, what is it? Just the knowledge of us being villains? a physical mark, an energy? Can we go out in disguise, ala holograms, or just a wig? What level of disguise will work? Or we going to known as villains if anyone sees us no matter the circumstances? Or just sees us period?"

The "Mark" isn't any kind of real factor, I just added it when I realized people would probably pitch our joining the JLA. Assume that there's no way to hide it face to face, but it's not useful for anything but distinguishing us as villains to the heroes.

Originally posted by batdude123
Turning the sun red would effectively wipe out all existence on Earth.

Superman in the 31st Century. Action Comics.

btw, as a logistical question...where the hell are you guys staying for 3 years?