Vader also has speed- his showings in TFU and Coruscant Knights (evading Aleema) do not support the typical lumbering tank image we have of him. Everything in the EU suggests that his mastery of swordplay increased with time, to say nothing of how incredibly powerful his command of the Force became circa TUF.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Vader also has speed- his showings in TFU and Coruscant Knights (evading Aleema) do not support the typical lumbering tank image we have of him. Everything in the EU suggests that his mastery of swordplay increased with time, to say nothing of how incredibly powerful his command of the Force became circa TUF.
Aleema = Typo correcto?
Maybe so, but when comparing EU to film, which is what ANH Vader is from, then the film trumps EU. Being that the movies are the higher form of canon, then that's what we must base our opinions on. He seemed to be having a hard enough time with an old OB1 who is far slower and less agile than his ROTS self. ROTS was his respective prime. ANH is far from Vader's prime, and OB1 would, as much as this pains me, beat this incarnation of Vader.
Originally posted by Darth SubjektReally? I thought Vader was doing his "thang" pretty well with old Obi.
Maybe so, but when comparing EU to film, which is what ANH Vader is from, then the film trumps EU. Being that the movies are the higher form of canon, then that's what we must base our opinions on. He seemed to be having a hard enough time with an old OB1 who is far slower and less agile than his ROTS self. ROTS was his respective prime. ANH is far from Vader's prime, and OB1 would, as much as this pains me, beat this incarnation of Vader.
And those last words are where I segue. Movies may get precedence over the EU, but only if contradiction abounds. As it is, there really is no contradiction between EU such as TFU's version of Vader, and the OT version. There are no direct statements, no direct references stating that what we see in the movies was Vader's all. To allow for that, canon accepts Kenobi's and Yoda' age and out-of-practice lifestyle to drain them, and Luke's performance is quite obviously his lack of skill and training. No true discretion exists (that I know of) in the films to cancel out the EU Vader. As it is, ANH Vader has a much more powerful command of the Force, and if he is allowed to use it, RoTS Kenobi is dead.
His lightsaber skill is pretty ballin' too, but if Kenobi can handle 23 strikes per second from Grievous, he can defeat Vader in a saber-only match.
Originally posted by Lord LucienNot necisarily, where Grievous was overwhelming with speed, Vader is totally different with strength. Unbearable strength. Not to mention Vader knows Kenobi's style. Kenobi can't claim the same with Vader.
but if Kenobi can handle 23 strikes per second from Grievous, he can defeat Vader in a saber-only match.