Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Batman disagrees with you.http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/08/07/1230093_508x800.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/08/07/1230096_300x564.jpgWe could also show her sparring with JLA at once. . .
Great showings?
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/07/08/1229774_500x769.jpg
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/07/08/1229775_500x392.jpg
I cant pull these scans up at work, I'll wait until I get home to look at them.
i think this would be very close the jla and avengers i feel have the advantage in the top tier level. while logan is on right up there with cap and bats the next best the x men have isnt anywhere near thor or ww skill. although the xmen have better depth jean and rouge are probaly beating the likes of wanda,stark with a bad heart, or wally. the best shot for the x men is for their weaker members beat the other teams weaker members quick and help out against the previous mentioned top tier people
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
nope not even them.
pr1983
Originally posted by carver9
batman, yes, diana no and Diana is one of my favorite characters and I would still say no to this. She has some great showings with her powers but I dont where you're getting any kind of idea that she's on wolverine league fighting wise.
you said her, superman and john stewart. isn't the same thing as just her.
Originally posted by Raptor22
i think this would be very close the jla and avengers i feel have the advantage in the top tier level. while logan is on right up there with cap and bats the next best the x men have isnt anywhere near thor or ww skill. although the xmen have better depth jean and rouge are probaly beating the likes of wanda,stark with a bad heart, or wally. the best shot for the x men is for their weaker members beat the other teams weaker members quick and help out against the previous mentioned top tier people
gambit is almost as skilled as anyone on the battle field along with rogue and storm.
Xmen have to many martial artist to even think this is a fight.
Originally posted by Raoul
pr1983you said her, superman and john stewart. isn't the same thing as just her.
Wonder woman AMOST even things out. If me and you fought bruce lee, how many licks do you think we'll get (thats what supes and john is compared to logan in skills). They would get taken out quick in my opinion, adding wonder woman would just make the fight last a little longer but not long enough to make a difference.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder woman AMOST even things out. If me and you fought bruce lee, how many licks do you think we'll get (thats what supes and john is compared to logan in skills). They would get taken out quick in my opinion, adding wonder woman would just make the fight last a little longer but not long enough to make a difference.
that's a terrible analogy.
superman is skilled enough to use pressure points in combat effectively.
john was a marine sniper.
they might not beat logan, but he won't put them down in seconds.
even if you want to argue that logan is superior to her, which is fine, it's not quite the huge gap you make it out to be.
the three of them would take him. HARD.
like its bn said logan's none powered fighting feats exceed diana's and bats capabilities.
logan has defeated 1000's of ninjas with a burned out HF and only took one kick to the face in a close quarter battle.
logan was depowered and survived a fight with omega red and lady D with only a few scratchs and a stab to the foot.
logan has casually bn seen fighting 100's of ninjas with little effort or strain without taking injury.
a pre wolverine logan has beatin ogun his master with wooden swords.
i dont see bats or WW and definitely not supes being able to do that without wpns or powers
Originally posted by Raoul
that's a terrible analogy.superman is skilled enough to use pressure points in combat effectively.
john was a marine sniper.
they might not beat logan, but he won't put them down in seconds.
even if you want to argue that logan is superior to her, which is fine, it's not quite the huge gap you make it out to be.#
the three of them would take him. HARD.
I already agree that supes is skilled but he's not skilled enough, especially with his showings when he was depowered, getting almost beat to death by lex, struggling to take out 3 common thugs. John, he's skilled also but he's "D" level skilled.
Do you think Wonder woman can take on 10 hand ninjas without her powers, you can use the 3 of them if you want?
Do you think the 3 of them can fight sabertooth powerless?
Do you think the 3 of them can take on omega red and deathstrike powerless.
I dont.
[QUOTE=11979565]Originally posted by carver9
[B]Wonder woman AMOST even things out. If me and you fought bruce lee, how many licks do you think we'll get (thats what supes and john is compared to logan in skills). They would get taken out quick in my opinion, adding wonder woman would just make the fight last a little longer but not long enough to make a difference. but if you me and chuck norris fought bruce chuck could stalemate him long enough for us to get in some cheap shots to hurt him. ps sorry if the quote thing doesnt come out right im posting from my cell
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
like its bn said logan's none powered fighting feats exceed diana's and bats capabilities.logan has defeated 1000's of ninjas with a burned out HF and only took one kick to the face in a close quarter battle.
logan was depowered and survived a fight with omega red and lady D with only a few scratchs and a stab to the foot.
logan has casually bn seen fighting 100's of ninjas with little effort or strain without taking injury.
a pre wolverine logan has beatin ogun his master with wooden swords.
i dont see bats or WW and definitely not supes being able to do that without wpns or powers
Too true.
wolverine can easily defeat john in combat with less then a single pressure point attack. john being a marine sniper doesnt mean anything. i am a marine and arty and know first hand snipers dont get extensive h2h training to even slow down someone like logan.
scott could easily defeat john in h2h combat with his judo he has defeated a small group of thugs with his eyes close using his MA skills.
logan, cap's, gambit and the DC MA fighters skills may not be enough to take either side down but its enough to keep them occupied for back up to arrive to help.
Originally posted by Raptor22
[QUOTE=11979565]Originally posted by carver9
[B]Wonder woman AMOST even things out. If me and you fought bruce lee, how many licks do you think we'll get (thats what supes and john is compared to logan in skills). They would get taken out quick in my opinion, adding wonder woman would just make the fight last a little longer but not long enough to make a difference. but if you me and chuck norris fought bruce chuck could stalemate him long enough for us to get in some cheap shots to hurt him. ps sorry if the quote thing doesnt come out right im posting from my cell
and who is chuck norris because diana sure the hell isnt? 😕
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder woman AMOST even things out. If me and you fought bruce lee, how many licks do you think we'll get (thats what supes and john is compared to logan in skills). They would get taken out quick in my opinion, adding wonder woman would just make the fight last a little longer but not long enough to make a difference.
This is such a ridiculous analogy that it doesn't warrant a response.
Do you know what her Amazon training entails? You also have to acknowledge that she has vastly more experience than he does.
Superman also is skilled as has a ton of experience training with WW and fighting along side her in Asgard.
You can argue that Logan is more skilled if you want. (I happen to think he isn't but that is my opinion). You cannot argue, however, that Logan could take her PLUS Supes or MM at the same time. That is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine can easily defeat john in combat with less then a single pressure point attack. john being a marine sniper doesnt mean anything. i am a marine and arty and know first hand snipers dont get extensive h2h training to even slow down someone like logan.scott could easily defeat john in h2h combat with his judo he has defeated a small group of thugs with his eyes close using his MA skills.
logan and the DC MA fighters skills may not be enough to take either side down but its enough to keep them occupied for back to arrive.
and the xmen backup is MUCH more fluent in martial arts then anyone on the battlefield. Besides bats or wonder woman, who is taking out gambit? 😕
Originally posted by carver9
gambit is almost as skilled as anyone on the battle field along with rogue and storm.Xmen have to many martial artist to even think this is a fight.
Indeed, all of them are far above being just a "decent" fighter. Cyclops have been described as being easily able to take out six men while blindfolded. Jean have the same training. Storm have beaten him. Rogue and Gambit takes on dozens of armed attackers without taking a scratch. Wolvie is world class. Add Cyke organizing them and I don`t see them loosing a significant number of bouts.
