JLA vs avengers vs xmen h2h no powers/weapons

Originally posted by Silent Master
And while their triple teaming him, who on their teams are getting double teamed?

i meant individually and easily... they are more skilled then williams they are on another lvl of MA skills especially Gambit.. gambit's one hit ko on williams regardless of size.

I don't see any of them one-shotting Simon.

Besides, they'd be busy fighting the other high level fighters on the other teams.

Gambit is more likely then the rest to one shot williams for a ko but more then likely it would be a combo of strikes before william falls and gambit walks to help the other high end fighters on his team.

Originally posted by carver9
Well feats shows different since he DID fight them without his powers.

What feats are you using that makes you think Lex is so much of a good fighter that he'll hold a powerless logan off. 😕

Can you PLEASE show me something that makes you think that wonder woman is as skilled as logan is combat wise.

so using a low feat cancels out the more consistent ones? no thanks. his feats say he's a skilled fighter. end of story.

i never said lex was logan level, nor did i ever claim superman was either.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan used a breather to keep the death spores from effecting him. he used his skills to keep away and dodge attacks as well as give them without being grabbed. overall the point was that he didnt win, its that he survived the encounter and showed real high lvl fighting skills when it's required.

so he was basically on the defensive the entire time?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
🙄

okay, does this site really allow such comments? 😕

as opposed to posts like carver's?

it's only fair if we allow sillyness on both sides.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, you're opinion is showing that you know little about the xmen.

cyclops would be lucky to match superman, and both bats and diana are a fair bit above clark when it comes to skill.

cyke is arguably on gambit and storm's level, too.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
well she shouldnt be able to take high heat vision to the face, she was never suppose to be that durable.

why not? she has very impressive durability.

Guys, get serious and stop using "OR and Lady D' as feat.
They weren't trying to kill him.
And he got curbstomped...

Originally posted by Raoul
so using a low feat cancels out the more consistent ones? no thanks. his feats say he's a skilled fighter. end of story.

i never said lex was logan level, nor did i ever claim superman was either.

so he was basically on the defensive the entire time?

as opposed to posts like carver's?

it's only fair if we allow sillyness on both sides.

cyclops would be lucky to match superman, and both bats and diana are a fair bit above clark when it comes to skill.

cyke is arguably on gambit and storm's level, too.

why not? she has very impressive durability.

😆 You're so wrong for your comment above.

I never said that supes wasnt a decent fighter, he is but I think the entire xmen line up in this battle is more skill then what he is except jean grey.

I asked you what showings does wonder woman has that makes you think she's on logans level skill wise. People on logans level gives her a fight WITH her powers, without them, naah, she's not even close to what logan is.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
supes- has a thousand yrs of barbarian combat.
batman- bats is still bats
ww- amazon warrior princes arguably still better then bats
wally- hyper active clown average fighting ability
jon stewart - prior marine with basic combat martial arts
hawk girl- still an alien warrior who relies on brutal form of combat with blunt wpns.

cyclops- tactiacal genius and judo master can make organize the team. he beats hawkgirl, john and wally.

storm- trained by logan and gambit. she beats, wally, john and hawkgirl.

logan- at his best MA fighting would tear through everyone here.

rogue- rogue can take hawkgirl 50/50 of the time might give the slight majority to hawkgirl.

gambit- he is the wild card here he can still defeat everyone here without his abilities. in comics it is hard to separate what is his mutant abilities and what is just pure skill. being human he would still be a high peak human. bats could take him down but i give the slight majority to gambit.

jean- she may be able to avoid and counter the first initial attacks but gets taken down by everyone in DC.

ironman- is just a playboy with a few lesson under his belt he gets taken down by everybody but wally west.

thor- has thousands upon thousands of yrs worth of warriors combat he can defeat supes with very little effort. thor can might get taken down by diana but not likely due to his size and strength coupled with his experienced.

hawkeye- he is recently become a bad@$$ as ronin he can beat everyone but bats. bats would tear him a new as will diana.

capt.- is a soldier with yrs of combat and MA skills he can beat everyone even at olympic lvl but he is not good enough to compete with bats or diana.

wonderman- williams is a brute fighter he gets taken down by bats supes, diana and john steward.

scarlet witch- she cant beat anyone here this is and easy win for wally, john and hawkgirl.

overall the xmen avengers win by sheer numbers over the jla.

this is mostly agreeable. I think Batman is the most dangerous ****er here. I'm giving it to the X-Men or JLA. Only saying JLA has a chance is mainly due to batman and Diana.

Originally posted by carver9
😆 You're so wrong for your comment above.

I never said that supes wasnt a decent fighter, he is but I think the entire xmen line up in this battle is more skill then what he is except jean grey.

I asked you what showings does wonder woman has that makes you think she's on logans level skill wise.

YOU'RE going to tell ME i'm wrong? good one.

cyclops isn't on superman's level period, and he's comparable to both storm and gambit.

also, this:

People on logans level gives her a fight WITH her powers, without them, naah, she's not even close to what logan is.

is completely untrue.

unless cyke can beat or at least stalemate Daredevil or bade in H2H he is not on gambits lvl of MA fighting.

Originally posted by Raoul
YOU'RE going to tell ME i'm wrong? good one.

cyclops isn't on superman's level period, and he's comparable to both storm and gambit.

also, this:

is completely untrue.

This is why I was saying you were so wrong "as opposed to posts like carver's?" and this "it's only fair if we allow sillyness on both sides.". Your post was good, overrall and you know more about cyke then I do so if you think supes is the better then I agree but I still think that wolverine could walk through 3 members of the jla and gambit and storm is a wild card for the xmen, along with rogue. Jean and cyke, both are pretty decent.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
unless cyke can beat or at least stalemate Daredevil or bade in H2H he is not on gambits lvl of MA fighting.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
unless cyke can beat or at least stalemate Daredevil or bade in H2H he is not on gambits lvl of MA fighting.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Gambit isn't on Daredevil's or Blade's level of MA 😬

bingo. 👆

Originally posted by Raoul
lex is well trained, and clark has taken on gangs of thugs without his powers and won. you have to use balanced feats, not low showings.

I actually think I remember that I dont think he was completely depowered. Looks like ive actually read more Superman than I initially said.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Gambit isn't on Daredevil's or Blade's level of MA 😬

gambit may not have beaten them but he did stalemate them so do you see cyke able to do the same thing?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
gambit may not have beaten them but he did stalemate them so do you see cyke able to do the same thing?

since the best fighters on each team would most likely fight eachother, batman, wolverine, and cap, gambit being probably the xmens #2 he would square off with the other teams #2's so the question is can he beat either ww or thor or possibly hawkeye

I say that that the x-men have the most well rounded fighters however the jla has top extremely skilled fighters and the avengers have one really good fighter in two others who are highly skilled which makes this a toss up in my opinion

say what you will but JLA will win this one
there is just too much diversity there

I will also say say that wolverine would be the first one dead
since all the characters are tired of his fanboyism they will surely dismember him first

JLA would take this for a majority.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
most marvel fans say yes, some DC fanboys would say barely if any noticeable difference.

Pretty obvious you don't know anything about Batman if you don't think Bruce's feats are "peak human".

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
nope not even them.

My edit timer ran out.

You actually claimed Wolverine's powerless feats are above Batman's feats? Batman's? 😆