Originally posted by Darth Martin
I haven't seen evidence that confirms this. Stark is pretty tactically minded to have to build his various armors. He's far smarter, stronger, faster, and more durable than Bat-family. His equipment is better as well. J.A.R.V.I.S., Jericho missiles, influence in USAF(Rhodey). His damn house is more impressive than Bruce's Batcave in any of the films.
Yes Stark builds weapons, but chances are the military says we need weapons that do this or that and Stark builds them weapons that do this or that. As for him being smarter, not only does Batman have tech that is close to on par with Iron-man, but he has also studied in a multitude of other areas. Random holo-touch screens aside, what does Iron-man have that is so much more impressive in his house then the Batcave.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
If you added Nolan's Batman to this you MIGHT make it interesting. The only advantage I see Batman having is if the fight goes in the sea. Stark has yet to show us a Deep-Sea Diving Armor or if his suit can go submerged. But I think one shot with a repulsor to any Bat-member and they're dead. Batmobile's gone b/c of the anti-tank missile the size of a freakin sharpie. Airborne Bats is out the game for the simple fact that Stark encountered two F-22 Raptors and wasn't even fighting them. He was trying to avoid them. F-22>>>Batman's aircraft shown in '89/'95.
I'm sorry. What in the blooming hell is Baleman going to add he is less experienced, doesn't have the tech or toys, is weaker, slower, less well armored, not as rounded a fighter etc etc. Anthology Robin would make Baleman his b*tch. Heck BatGirl could probably do the same. I'd question whether a single repulsor shot'd take Batman out after all the damage we have seen him incure. Not to mention that his bullet timing reflexes would make him hard to hit.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Homecourt advantage? Don't see how that helps when Iron Man fly's you off the Earth.
How is Iron-Man going to fly them off the Earth when they are busting him up on the way up. Remember Batman and Robin can reach almost the same alttitude as Iron-Man and climb agains the g-forces produced by an ascending rocket. It'd be a well placed grapple shot and a nice climb. Then tearing knocking, and cutting out peices of Tony's suit. Remember even minor damage'd knock Stark out at high alttitudes.
Originally posted by Röland
Wait...wut?
The PSI required to bend even low grade steel is 3,600psi or almost 2 tons of force. Batman was denting, bending, and knocking out the floor armor of the Batmobile with his fists. Which given that it was high grade armor should be tougher then low grade steel. Not to mention Batman was hitting from an awkward sitting position. In other words he probably can actualy hit with more then 2 tons of force, but it stands as a good base line. Weakend Iron-Man on the other hand was lifting around 3-4 tons. Though he was weakend this level of strenght still seemed to be a threat to him and Iron-Monger who was struggling against him. The short version is Batman may be able to generate enough force with his fists to effect Iron-Mans armor.
Originally posted by Nightstick
Yes Stark builds weapons, but chances are the military says we need weapons that do this or that and Stark builds them weapons that do this or that. As for him being smarter, not only does Batman have tech that is close to on par with Iron-man, but he has also studied in a multitude of other areas. Random holo-touch screens aside, what does Iron-man have that is so much more impressive in his house then the Batcave.
Originally posted by omgchos
So your logic is that Tony is not origional, but that if the government said "hey tony build us a matter transporter" he could do it but it makes him less of a genius. I disagree.
It doesn't mean he isn't a genius, but it does mean he doesn't have to be tacticaly minded. Which was the subject of my response.
Originally posted by omgchos
And not one single thing batman has used is on par with iron man. None of batmans devices kill and he relies mostly on his fighting skill. Since not one thing batman has could do damage to Iron man Batman is going down. [/B]
Firstly I said close to on par. Secondly, missiles, machine guns, and bombs all kill.
As for damagin Iron-Man, their is a good chance Batman could do so with solid punches.
Originally posted by Nightstick
It doesn't mean he isn't a genius, but it does mean he doesn't have to be tacticaly minded. Which was the subject of my response.Firstly I said close to on par. Secondly, missiles, machine guns, and bombs all kill.
As for damagin Iron-Man, their is a good chance Batman could do so with solid punches.
Originally posted by Nightstick
The PSI required to bend even low grade steel is 3,600psi or almost 2 tons of force. Batman was denting, bending, and knocking out the floor armor of the Batmobile with his fists. Which given that it was high grade armor should be tougher then low grade steel. Not to mention Batman was hitting from an awkward sitting position. In other words he probably can actualy hit with more then 2 tons of force, but it stands as a good base line. Weakend Iron-Man on the other hand was lifting around 3-4 tons. Though he was weakend this level of strenght still seemed to be a threat to him and Iron-Monger who was struggling against him. The short version is Batman may be able to generate enough force with his fists to effect Iron-Mans armor.
Originally posted by omgchos
Wow, wow and wow again. After being hit with a tank shell iron man plumited into a building and all that had happend was his suit got burned a bit. A solid punch would do nothing.
Originally posted by omgchos
Wow, wow and wow again. After being hit with a tank shell iron man plumited into a building and all that had happend was his suit got burned a bit. A solid punch would do nothing. And Batman had none of the things you just mentioned. Iron man however did. So how is that even close to on par. You do realize that on par means almost the same as. And the subject of your response was that batman is smarter which he is not.
I am begining to think that you not only lack basic reading abilities, but have never seen the Batman movies.
Hoping you do though go back and read the quoted area I was responding to it was talking about Stark abilities in tactical areas. It's basic premise was that because he builds weapons. He must be a tactician. Which is obviously not a nessacity.
You can stop with the condecending prattle. I know what on par means. Its one of those things you can learn from reading, Which you seem to lack the ability to do. Well were at it you do know that close to indicates that it is not the same as. Right?
Considering that a car crash slowed Iron-Monger in a deleted scene and that the blows Iron-Man and Iron-Monger effected each other. At a time when Iron-Man struggled to lift an SUV, means that yes Batman who can hit with 2000+psi has a shot at rattling him even in his suit.
By the way. You might want to go back and watch the Batman movies, both the Batmobile and the Batwing had machineguns and the Batwing had rockets/missiles and the Batmobile could deploy bombs.
Originally posted by Nightstick
I am begining to think that you not only lack basic reading abilities, but have never seen the Batman movies.Hoping you do though go back and read the quoted area I was responding to it was talking about Stark abilities in tactical areas. It's basic premise was that because he builds weapons. He must be a tactician. Which is obviously not a nessacity.
You can stop with the condecending prattle. I know what on par means. Its one of those things you can learn from reading, Which you seem to lack the ability to do. Well were at it you do know that close to indicates that it is not the same as. Right?
Considering that a car crash slowed Iron-Monger in a deleted scene and that the blows Iron-Man and Iron-Monger effected each other. At a time when Iron-Man struggled to lift an SUV, means that yes Batman who can hit with 2000+psi has a shot at rattling him even in his suit.
By the way. You might want to go back and watch the Batman movies, both the Batmobile and the Batwing had machineguns and the Batwing had rockets/missiles and the Batmobile could deploy bombs.
Originally posted by omgchos
My question is that if hes gonna punch iron man is going to leap out of his batwing before it gets blown up by the tank buster iron man uses and then punch him only to break his hand? See what you did there you said hed be able to punch iron man to death and you say i need to watch them again.
You need to watch them again because you seemed to have missed all the parts with bombs, rockets, and guns.
Originally posted by omgchos
And you keep changing the subject too. You said batman is on par with one of the most advanced pieces of technology ever made. A suit which withstood a tank blast and a missle blast and gunfire, etc. Whereas batman wore some bullet proof armor and used ripcords to get around. I mean his batwing was brought down by an overly large magnum that the joker had. None of the things he ever did were at all on par with iron man. Never did batman punch through anything close to iron man's armor. Batman would be crushed like a bug if he tried to pick up an SUV. Do you even hear what you are saying. Batman cannot punch with 1 ton over every square inch that he hits. Thats saying that he punches with the force of a small car, which is complete nonsence and you know it. [/B]
May be its tough for you, but we are discussing more then one subject at a time. If that's to complicated let me know.
Again reading my posts is important for debate purposes. For about the 5th time I said close to on par. While the Batmobile is larger and lacks flight capabilities. It has many of the same capabilites as Iron-Man's suit. It is as heavly armored as a tank, armed to the teeth, has an onboard computer, and can still out race the fastest cars. Given its speed and durability it is leaps and bounds more advanced then any real world combat system. Is it as advanced as Iron-Man's suit. No, but I never said they were straight across the board equal.
I have to ask you do realise the Batman films are comic book movies right? With freeze rays and having nine lives and the like. So why then is it so hard for you take Batman hitting with multi-ton force. Lets go over this again he punched threw the armor plating of the Batmobile denting, bending, and finaly breaking threw it from an awkward sitting position. According to the rep I talked to at steel distributor it requires around 3,600psi to bend low grade steel. Though I doubt that the Batmobiles armor is made out of low grade steel.
Originally posted by Nightstick
You need to watch them again because you seemed to have missed all the parts with bombs, rockets, and guns.May be its tough for you, but we are discussing more then one subject at a time. If that's to complicated let me know.
Again reading my posts is important for debate purposes. For about the 5th time I said close to on par. While the Batmobile is larger and lacks flight capabilities. It has many of the same capabilites as Iron-Man's suit. It is as heavly armored as a tank, armed to the teeth, has an onboard computer, and can still out race the fastest cars. Given its speed and durability it is leaps and bounds more advanced then any real world combat system. Is it as advanced as Iron-Man's suit. No, but I never said they were straight across the board equal.
I have to ask you do realise the Batman films are comic book movies right? With freeze rays and having nine lives and the like. So why then is it so hard for you take Batman hitting with multi-ton force. Lets go over this again he punched threw the armor plating of the Batmobile denting, bending, and finaly breaking threw it from an awkward sitting position. According to the rep I talked to at steel distributor it requires around 3,600psi to bend low grade steel. Though I doubt that the Batmobiles armor is made out of low grade steel.
Originally posted by omgchos
You may as well have not quoted me, i mean you didn't even respond or pay attention to what i said. Stark blew up a tank with ease so no matter what the bat mobile is made out if it doesn't matter. Batman punched through the bottom to remove a bomb btw. Never was it shown in the movies that the bottom of his batmobile was made of high grade steel. And if thats all you have in the way of strength feats then please stop now. And no matter what the movie is based off of, saying it does not make him any stonger. Again you have failed miserably to make a point. Near on par implies that he can almost lift an SUV, that he can almost survive being hit directly with a tank shell, etc. If you believe this than you need a reality check.
The Batmobile survived an entire plant blowing up around it. It also flipped cars and trucks over, i'm pretty certain with the right rig it could lift an SUV. Are you seriously suggesting that Batman didn't armor the bottom of the Batmobile? It didn't seem to be made of anything ifferent then the rest of the car. Or maybe you are suggesting Batman used something weaker then low grade steel to armor the Batmobile? THink about it neither option is likely and you know it. Frankly its all I need in the way of strength feats, but he can also knock people back 10 or so feet with a blow and headbutt threw aircraft glass, casualy hoist people into the air etc. However while you seemed to have missed that Batman gets his enitre arsenal and are simply thinking of him in his suit throwing down with Iron-Man. I am considering his vehicles as well, So yes the Batmobile has a shot at surviving a tank round and it could lift an SUV.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why does the thread say Ironman (Tony Stark) Batman (Bruce Wayne)? Do we like not know who IM or BM are?
Well Batman is currently.....Robin.... believe it or not. *See comics forum*
And other people have used Stark's suit.
(The suit even gained sentience once too.)
Just to keep fanboys from getting EUey I guess.
Start watching at 2:34. He clearly punches through something other than steel. If it was steel it would not have shattered and broken off a piece. Only metal that has been cooled with liquid nitrogen does that. Other wise it would have ripped and bent. So my point stands, he can not punch through iron mans armor.
Originally posted by omgchos
YouTube videoStart watching at 2:34. He clearly punches through something other than steel. If it was steel it would not have shattered and broken off a piece. Only metal that has been cooled with liquid nitrogen does that. Other wise it would have ripped and bent. So my point stands, he can not punch through iron mans armor.
So your of the opinion that the Batmobile armor is weaker then low grade steel?